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[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Soon enough, people will unable to know what is real or not anymore. There will no longer be a recognition of objective truth. Just confusion and demoralisation. Keep in mind that America is looking a lot like Weimar Germany, only with more advanced technology. You do not want that is next.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And yet what comes next is inevitable.

BTW I just want to let you know that I really appreciate your perspective on this sub.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks.

[–]dreamgermsbisexual nightmare 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There will no longer be a recognition of objective truth.

This is my fear. There is an eroding away of trust in science, in objective truths, and in the meaning of words. “Biology is bigotry” is stating that my feelings, something subjective and nebulous and frequently incoherent, are what define a word like “woman”, instead of observable facts which we have agreed on for hundreds of years. If we can’t define words like “woman” and “homosexual” and base those definitions on material realities, then how to we define and discuss our oppression? How do secure our rights? It’s insane to me.

[–]lavender_menace 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

But if it’s like the decadent shine and fall of Weimar, who will be their scapegoats?

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It could be us.

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I guarantee many normal, conservative Americans over 55, and by normal I mean not living in a Blue Bubble or involved in academia, politics or any glamour careers, will blame "the Gays" to some extent.

Back before gay marriage, conservative pundits were warning about the "Slippery Slope" so they will feel vindicated when the TQ+ manage to have us all living in Upside Down Gender Clown World.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

This is going to be an uncomfortable question to ask, but I’m curious. Was it worth it to legalise gay marriage in all 50 states through or court ruling? Would it have been better to continue to leave it to the states? I support gay marriage, but I get the feeling that if progress happens too fast it might backfire. Like how if you take too much medicine to cure a sickness, you overdose and the sickness gets worse. But what are your thoughts?

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Americans, especially in conservative areas, have a very Don't Tread On Me mentality, by which I mean they hate being told what to do by the government. So maybe it would have been better for gays in terms of acceptance, if marriage hadn't been a federal law. However, in some states it probably wouldn't have passed, so who knows?

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This was actually the late Ruth Bader Ginsburg's view on legalizing abortion: that it should have happened state-by-state, because then the country would have been ready, and doing it from the top down just created backlash. While not sure, I tend to disagree; my feeling is that we couldn't afford to wait. And I have an additional reason for doubting this argument where same-sex marriage is concerned.

It's that, there, the country WAS ready. By the time of the Obergefell v. Hodges decision, national support for same-sex marriage was at 60%. Popular opinion had really changed overnight; after years and years of even civil unions looking like a bridge too far, suddenly everyone was going, "oh, gay marriage? guess I'm OK with it after all!" Notably, even on the right: some of legalization's vocal proponents were well-known conservatives, and often straight ones, to boot (such as lawyer Ted Olson). It was kind of amazing to see, actually. Opposition just crumbled. All that remained of it were Westboro Baptist Church-style "God Hates F*gs" extremists. And everyone else just left them behind.

So, yeah, an uncomfortable question, Warrior... but also a good one. And while of course I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time!), I hope that this answer gives you, and others with the same apprehensions, some cause for hope. :)

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks that was very informative.

[–]BEB 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Obama helped start the ball rolling on all this bullshit. His Dear Colleague letter of May 2016 changing sex to gender in Title IX is an example.

I've read speculation that Obama's meteoric rise to prominence was partially a result of his ties to the Pritzker family of Illinois, who are huge funders and pushers of gender ideology in the US. No idea if that's true, but it might help explain Obama selling out women to the gender mob.

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have seen that link before but it's a great one. (The person who wrote it has occasionally shared their essays on saidit.) I did not realize that the actual US State Department donated, though.

[–]lulululululu 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah... to add another angle to this...

I’m both American and another nationality, and I’ve lived in both the US and my other country in both my childhood and my adult life. In my other country (a very conservative Asian country), I’ve met Americans on State Department grants such as Fulbright and I think other grants too (I don’t remember the names of the other grants though other than Fulbright which is the biggest one) who engage in trans activism. They almost never speak the language well, and have little understanding of the local culture. They have absolutely no idea how to frame their activism in a way that people from my country would understand... for example met one activist who kept using the untranslated English word feminism and getting upset no one understood, but feminism isn’t really a word in my language. It’s pretty funny to watch because they all see themselves as martyrs spreading trans ideology in other countries but it completely backfires and no one but the most westernized English speaking America worshipping locals takes them seriously/my friends from here are nice to their faces but talk shit about them behind their back, but it’s also infuriating to know they’re basically engaging in imperialism with State Department $$$ and don’t see it. And there are literally SO MANY of them. I think Fulbright grants last for a year and every year there are new trans activists who barely speak the local language and don’t understand the local culture showing up in my country.

[–]BEB 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wow - that's crazy that the US is very deliberately exporting gender ideology. An investigative reporter needs to tackle this.

OMG - what am I saying? There are no investigative reporters left in the US...