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You EVIL CIS SCUMS, every single one of transhwumen's cosmetic surgeries is LITERALLY saving lives! PAY UP!!!

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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 31 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Anyone who threatens suicide to manipulate others into giving them what they want is a terrible person who does not deserve anything they demand

[–]insta 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

threatens suicide

It's incredibly childlike too. Threatening suicide doesn't work with anyone outside of your immediate family. If someone came up to me and threatened to kill themselves if I didn't give them my car, do I really need to say what my answer would be?

[–]mvmlego 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

If someone came up to me and threatened to kill themselves if I didn't give them my car, do I really need to say what my answer would be?

While I'm in complete agreement with you about how someone should act in this situation, I think there's a notable minority of people who've let themselves be completely consumed by their feelings of empathy, to the point where their ego or sense of self-worth is grounded in it, who would actually let someone steal their car if they thought it would protect the thief from harm.* I'd estimate this to be somewhere between 2% and 10% of the population, but that's obviously just a shot-in-the-dark estimate.

*https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/white-minneapolis-residents-wont-call-cops-on-homeless-camp/

(Specifically, check out the part with Mitchell Erickson.)

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Completely agree. This group of people is more likely to be easily bullied by the trans rights movement in other regards, as well. No need to victim blame, here. Trans rights activists shouldn't try to manipulate people with suicide threats in the first place.

(edited for clarity)

[–]ColoredTwice 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Suicide threatening is very common tool in coercive control.

I know a woman, who wanted to divorce, but her husband threatened suicide and she stayed married on him for 5 more years.

I had a stalker, who threatened to kill himself if I "don't stop being lesbian and start dating him".

As someone rightfully noticed before - it is just a form of terrorism: "Do X or Z will die".

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well said. If somebody threatens to kill himself or herself if you don’t do what he or she wants you to do, just walk away from this person cease contact with him or her. Cut the toxicity out of your life. It will be better for your mental health.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Unfortunately, in a country with a woke government, you will be paying for these surgeries through your taxes. Whether you like it or not. The taxpayer should not have to pay for these surgeries. And no, I will never donate money towards a transgender cause.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

In Italy too. But the one who are willing to take the balls off are at least serious usually simple super femme homo guy, not like the girldick bastards.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

While I’m glad that men with autogynophilia are rare in Italy, I still have concerns about homosexuals becoming trans, even if the vast majority of them are super effeminate gay men and super masculine lesbians. I hope that gay people in Italy are not being pressured into transitioning by woke activists and Big Pharma.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, they aren't at all. Big Pharma has no power here A masculine gay man is actually more respected than an effeminate one

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (4 children)

I'm curious: what's your position of taxpayer funding of controversial procedures in general? Is it simply a matter of whether you think the procedure is good, or do you think that the goodness of the procedure has to be balanced against the number of people objecting to it (and/or how severely they object to it)?

EDIT: Why are people giving this Fun votes? (Current score: 2I, 3F.) What point do you people think that I'm trying to make with this comment? I'm bringing attention to an interesting area of principle that affects plenty of important topics, including transgender issues, abortion, and euthanasia. I get that people sometimes use the Fun votes as a quick way to express disagreement, but I don't see what there was to disagree about in the original comment.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think the procedure has to be good. Personally, I think only necessary procedures should be covered. Procedures that save lives, procedures that help people become independent or procedures that alleviate or eliminate pain. I even support tax payer funded mental health services in the form of counselling. Anything cosmetic should be paid by the patient. Anything necessary or controversial should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

However, I think these things should be covered by getting a private insurance plan. Only people who can’t afford health insurance should get free healthcare. This reduces the cost on the taxpayer. Half the hospitals of a country should be public and the other half should be privately owned.

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you for explaining your viewpoint. How would you apply those principles to the subject of euthanasia? Undoubtedly, it can be a procedure that eliminates pain, but it's also a procedure that many consider to be morally wrong to various extents. Presumably, this would fall under your category of controversial procedures that need to be handled on a case-by-case basis. What exactly does that handling process look like? Is the question of whether it should be taxpayer-funded simply a matter of whether it is, in the majority's opinion, a good procedure?

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I support passive euthanasia. Passive euthanasia is when you pull the plug, or don’t give medication to someone to keep this person alive. If someone wants to die, there’s no point keeping him on life support. So yeah, if the patient wants to die, let his next of kin pull the plug. Active euthanasia, where you give lethal medication to someone to kill him, is another story. I’m not sure if I’m okay with this. I definitely don’t want to fund this.

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think I got my point across, in that I was wondering what you think about how a given society should decide whether or not to fund controversial things, with euthanasia being the operative example. Still, I won't pester you any more. I appreciate your reply, and I happen to hold rather similar views on euthanasia, myself.

[–]ChodeSandwichtender and moist 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

It's so revealing how he goes from "oh btw it's so hypocritical how people kill us for not passing" to "cis women like hurting our feefees and that makes me sick" at breakneck speed. You're not that smooth, Trystyylynne.

[–]insta 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That doesn't bother me as much as their talk about people finding them hot.

So much of their activism comes down to manipulating people and socially engineering them into finding trans people attractive.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

With that logic, every life-saving surgery should be paid by tax-payers, but what makes their case more special than, say, a cesarean, or someone who needs to have an appendix removed?

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 15 insightful - 6 fun15 insightful - 5 fun16 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

And if anyone can threaten suicide to magically make anything they want lifesaving, can I be transplanted from my old car into a ferrari as a "life saving operation?" so long as I threaten to kill myself if the government doesn't comply?

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 11 insightful - 9 fun11 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

I'm a transfinancial, I'm a millionaire stuck in a broke woman body. Send me money, SAVE MY LIFE

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

I think you've got a good shot in this current situation. Godspeed.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 8 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Enters Ferrari dealership with gun pointed at own head

"PUT THE KEYS IN MY HAND! I'VE GOT A GUN AND I'M NOT AFRAID TO SHOOT MYSELF!"

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh this person is more 'pressed than a panini!