Then, they wonder why we hate them....Leave gay men in peace!

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[–]julesburm1891 36 insightful - 3 fun36 insightful - 2 fun37 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

After decades of LGB activism, the US Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage. Not a single transwoman took part in that legal decision. Die mad about it.

[–]MilkTea 19 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

Ah yes, I remember the LGBTQIA2S++ history. The brave and stunning transwoman passed out on a park bench, and a gay drag queen who arrived late at the riots, working together to throw bricks at a window in 1969. And that was it, that was the moment we immediately got the right to marry. But let’s all just ignore the fact that the Netherlands was the first country to legalize same-sex marriage in 2001.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And let’s ignore that before the Netherlands legalised same-sex marriage, the first country to allow same sex civil unions was Denmark in 1989.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Aw go Denmark

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I kinda like Denmark. But if I had to pick a Nordic country to live in, it would be Finland. Civil partnerships from 2002 to 2017, and same sec marriage since 2017. But the reasons I prefer Finland are the scenery, the saunas, the music, the accents, the men and the fact that most men have served in the military (I’m a sucker for men in camouflage).

[–]SerpensInferna 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

These people are unbelievably hateful. So much energy directed towards the destruction of others instead of building something beautiful in the world and looking to a better future for all. I don't want to share anything with them - not a country, not a subculture, not a 'movement'. I don't know what the answer is when outright lies are continually embraced and reinforced and we are called bigots for speaking the truth. Everything is so weird right now.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The perpetually angry and avant garde youngsters have found and dominated the internet and now here you are. The angrier and more avant garde your opinions are, the more heart reacts you get on Facebook. Pretty irresistible incentive obviously.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"trans women got you your rights"

What rights exactly? The right to be subjected to angry hipsters demanding my attention? Because out of all the things I've ever lacked basic human rights for, none of them are for being gay. Nobody has ever denied me food, water, or my status as a sentient being because of my sexuality. My intersex status, however, some people are trying to take away intersex people's rights to their own body and the right to still (rightfully) be recognized as male/female... and those people would be TRAs, of course.

So fuck any TRA who says that trans people "gave me my rights." It's the opposite. On an individual, personal level - trans activism threatens to take my rights AWAY.

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair every time you ask them for source of these claims they just get triggered and provide you nothing to back it up.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 15 insightful - 5 fun15 insightful - 4 fun16 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Just because some of the people at the riots were black cross dressers doesn’t mean that black cross dressers did all of the work. It was the Supreme Court that legalised gay marriage. It was a white gay man who sued the state of Ohio to be recognised on his husband's death certificate who brought the case the Supreme Court.

If that loser in the picture loves black trans women so much, then why doesn’t he marry one of them? They are men after all.

[–]pacmanla 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why are they going back & redefining individuals as "trans"? Those men were "cross dressers", who still saw themselves as men. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I am, I'm sorry.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Reminds me of my comment from r/LGBDropTheT (R.I.P.) on this subject:

They desperately need icons to prove they've been in history from decades ago.

Yeah, and this got me thinking: why? Why do they feel this need, and, moreover, why do they try to fulfill it by appropriating OUR icons?

My thought is: they want to see themselves as a marginalized group (indeed, the MOST marginalized group ever), since that's the source of their cultural cachet. So they of course seek to do what other, genuinely marginalized groups (LGB, African-Americans, women, etc.) always do: identify those historically-significant figures who were "their" people.

But they have a problem here: the very nature of what it means to be trans. Because whereas other marginalized groups are based on neutral characteristics like sexual orientation, ethnicity, and biological sex, what is "trans" based on? Seems like the answer always comes down to one or more of the following: mental illness (body dysphoria); denial of one's own homosexuality; and sexual fetish.

And while I'm sure that there are indeed historically-significant figures who fit this description... who would really want to claim them? As a role model? And a point of pride? An example of what being trans actually is? "He had an unshakable delusion about his body!" "He just COULD NOT deal with being gay!" "His entire life, and very IDENTITY, revolved around the contents of his spank bank!"

So, because of this, and the regrettable fact that they're somehow considered LGB, the T simply pivot to "icons" without that built-in embarrassment factor: ours. And file the serial numbers off.

Sure, I know that there are perfectly-respectable, even admirable, people (especially in past eras, and especially women) who lived as the opposite sex. Because mercilessly-restrictive gender roles gave them little choice. That's sympathetic, all right, but in the sense of being sad, and cruel, and horribly unjust. It isn't anything to celebrate. And it sure as hell isn't "trans".

[–]julesburm1891 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wanting to be the most marginalized group ever is a huge red flag. A common attribute of sociopathy is wanting people to feel sorry for you so you can manipulate them.

[–]BiHorror 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They took James Barry as their icon. Although, I'm curious about the case surrounding that one. On Wikipedia, it said they struck down one for saying James might of just been intersex but apparently that too "cis bodied" (paraphrasing).

[–]Midcentury 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can't speak for any USA based lgb's, but here in Australia we voted on marriage equality, and it won 60/40%. This vote(I call it a vote, move on sweaty if you have an issue with that) happened after an extended period of lgb people fighting for their rights. It was an acrimonious period, and a lot of gay and lesbian Australian's suffered pain, but in the end having it voted on meant we definitely knew that our rights were supported by the population and no politician or homophobe can hide behind the "silent majority" bullshit anymore. We won our rights, ain't no one gave it to us.