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[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 35 insightful - 5 fun35 insightful - 4 fun36 insightful - 5 fun -  (16 children)

This is a perfect example why this neo-pronoun fad is moronic. Language should be becoming more precise and descriptive, not more obfuscating. And everyone who uses these pronouns knows it's happening but due to being under a mass peer pressure spell is still pretending to one another that the Emperor is not buck naked.

[–]8bitgay 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

It is also an example of bad writing. Even if you agree with neopronouns, at this point you should just use their names. Yeah, we avoid using names all the time so it doesn't become repetitive, but you already made it repetitive by using 8 "they" in one sentence anyway.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

There's a lot of genderspecial people who also either insist on never using capital letters at all, or who insist on capitalizing the first letter of every single word in a sentence.

Eschewing the established rules of a language that exist in large part for legibility to make yourself feel special is incredibly irritating.

[–]just_lesbian_things 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

They're almost always Anglophones too. I spent a lot of time and money learning English. So funny that when I make a grammar error or mispronounce something, I'm "wrong" while when these guys do it, they are evolving English or whatever. I have friends who have had to change their careers simply because their English isn't good enough. Why aren't these genderspecials cancelling TOEFL exams?

[–]8bitgay 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

This is a point I constantly think about. Homosexual is a word that has a local translation in many languages, if not all. There's always a term for people who like the same sex. But not queer - we are all using the English word for that. If the identity of queer is so genuine, you'd imagine people in other countries would have come up with a name for it before the American word got popular recently. Honestly I only know that queer is used as a slur because of what gay Americans say, never in my life anyone ever used queer as a slur - because it's a niche word that people only started using it a couple years ago.

Maybe we should outwoke them and starting claiming that queer is an expression of American imperialism.

[–][deleted] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's so, so tiring having to deal with their constant narcissism that seems to infect and warp every single interaction.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Omg that is a really spot on point about TOEFL. I never thought of that angle!

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There’s a page for a now deceased lesbian artist which referred to her and one of her girlfriends living together in a sentence as “they.” Because she was gender nonconforming, some “good samaritan” came along and assumed this GNC lesbian was nonbinary/they/them and changed the pronouns in the article so its now unreadable to know when its referring to her and one of her multiple named girlfriends in the page or her alone.

I also checked every thesis paper on her I could find, every account available (there’s not a whole lot) besides one masculine nickname and how she dressed there’s nothing to account that she was “nonbinary” 60-80 years before the concept was invented. Whoever did it had less knowledge on this artist than I do, and yet they felt the need to change all the pronouns on her wikipedia page because they saw a “they” referring to a lesbian couple. When we talk about them going after specifically GNC lesbians with added energy (sometimes) aside from the cotton and boxer ceiling disasters, this is part of what we mean. GNC and LGB people can’t just exist, even dead, without being transed without our consent.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's so disrespectful to take liberties like that with someone's legacy. I'll bet they never even considered how she would have wanted to be remembered, just how doing this would nicely buff up the 'Trans and non-binary people are everywhere in history' fantasy.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean in this case I think the person who jumped to “fix the article” was also just dumb as nails, because at the time it was changed it was maybe 5 paragraphs long, so the fact they couldn’t even pay attention for that long and changed the pronouns not realizing she was a lesbian and it was referring to her female partner and her is just. Idk typical of them?

[–]winterwillow 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is interesting, do you mind sharing the artist's name? I saw the lawyer/activist Pauli Murray being transed on an insta post, but her Wikipedia still uses female pronouns. I don't think the argument to trans historical gnc people stands, that they just 'lacked the language'. Murray saw herself as 'the man of the relationship' and a 'sexual invert' in the 30'-40's, who's to say she would have been a trans man today, she might have been a butch lesbian in the 90's. It's not for the trans movement to decide, in order to create a 'We were always here' narrative.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hannah Gluckstein, aka Gluck

To my knowledge at least, she never identified as male but her and many lesbians and modern women in the parisian Natalie Barney circle at the time crossdressed and wore masculine styled clothing and enjoyed that it was a bit out there.