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[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

There’s a page for a now deceased lesbian artist which referred to her and one of her girlfriends living together in a sentence as “they.” Because she was gender nonconforming, some “good samaritan” came along and assumed this GNC lesbian was nonbinary/they/them and changed the pronouns in the article so its now unreadable to know when its referring to her and one of her multiple named girlfriends in the page or her alone.

I also checked every thesis paper on her I could find, every account available (there’s not a whole lot) besides one masculine nickname and how she dressed there’s nothing to account that she was “nonbinary” 60-80 years before the concept was invented. Whoever did it had less knowledge on this artist than I do, and yet they felt the need to change all the pronouns on her wikipedia page because they saw a “they” referring to a lesbian couple. When we talk about them going after specifically GNC lesbians with added energy (sometimes) aside from the cotton and boxer ceiling disasters, this is part of what we mean. GNC and LGB people can’t just exist, even dead, without being transed without our consent.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's so disrespectful to take liberties like that with someone's legacy. I'll bet they never even considered how she would have wanted to be remembered, just how doing this would nicely buff up the 'Trans and non-binary people are everywhere in history' fantasy.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean in this case I think the person who jumped to “fix the article” was also just dumb as nails, because at the time it was changed it was maybe 5 paragraphs long, so the fact they couldn’t even pay attention for that long and changed the pronouns not realizing she was a lesbian and it was referring to her female partner and her is just. Idk typical of them?

[–]winterwillow 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

This is interesting, do you mind sharing the artist's name? I saw the lawyer/activist Pauli Murray being transed on an insta post, but her Wikipedia still uses female pronouns. I don't think the argument to trans historical gnc people stands, that they just 'lacked the language'. Murray saw herself as 'the man of the relationship' and a 'sexual invert' in the 30'-40's, who's to say she would have been a trans man today, she might have been a butch lesbian in the 90's. It's not for the trans movement to decide, in order to create a 'We were always here' narrative.

[–]LeaveAmsgAfterBeep 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hannah Gluckstein, aka Gluck

To my knowledge at least, she never identified as male but her and many lesbians and modern women in the parisian Natalie Barney circle at the time crossdressed and wore masculine styled clothing and enjoyed that it was a bit out there.