DiscussionHow the LGB community sees trans women...

submitted by PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 from self.LGBDropTheT

Source: T-Meme.

I don't quite understand the difference between "How the LGB community sees me" and the "How I see me box"--one looks like more makeup than the other?? Or...Is the LGB box supposed to say that we see trans women as drag queens?...

Apart from the meme, what are your thoughts on the T community?

Obviously we are drop the T, but I wanted to dig a bit deeper since everyone has different views.

  1. Do you believe people should or should not transition? Why or why not?

  2. As the LGB, what would you like for the T to know or do for your group to support you?(talking about regular T, like gender non-conforming folks or homosexual transexuals, not the...autogynephiles).

  3. Do you know many in your circle that transitioned and are either part of the L, G, or B? What is the story behind that?

  4. Have YOU been pressured to transition or be apart of the "queer" community?

  5. When do you predict the "T" will be dropped from the "LGB"?

Any additional thoughts?

Will edit post if additional questions pop up.

Edit: Added a new question.

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[–]tihydp 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

(1) No they should not. Even if "transitioning" means social transitioning without hormones or surgery, most of us will humor the person but won't actually believe he or she is the opposite sex. This goes double when "dysphoria" is such a broad diagnosis that it's not possible anymore to say that transitioning will help, even if there are people who really would benefit from it.

(2) Honestly, I don't want their support and genuinely feel bad for them. Many of these people would have probably been gay men or lesbians 50 years ago but tried to suppress that instead.

(3) No, N/A.

(4) Yes. The gay / straight alliance at my university was hijacked by "queer activists" in my junior year and that was enough for me to stop going. Outright shaming of gay men for "first world problems", pronoun silliness, and "gender workshops" were all instituted in place of harmless fun. As a gay man who just wants to be treated decently and otherwise left the fuck alone I felt ostracized and hated by the time I left.

(5) Ten to twenty years at least. If the "T" is dropped it will be because of suits against "informed consent" clinics for negligence or against sex-change surgeons for making impossible promises that the results do not match (the late great r/neovaginadisasters should be grounds to revoke all their medical licenses but that's another rant).

Additional thoughts: The LGBT community completely failed at self-policing in the last ten or so years. Thirty years ago, "trans" meant "someone who genuinely and sincerely tries to live as the opposite sex to the best of his or her ability". Now these people are the small minority compared to teens/20 somethings who just want to be special or impose themselves on the opposite sex (mostly men doing this to women, shocker) without any hard work. This didn't happen overnight, it happened over time and got this far because none of us stood up to these lunatics until it was too late.

(end rant).

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Just in case you're curious, looks like one of the mods for r/neovaginadisasters made a website: http://www.neovaginadisasters.com/

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Oh hell no, I am not clicking any of those links. The written posts make me nauseous enough.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Totally fair, and I didn't either haha. Just figured I'd link it in case.

[–]ColoredTwice 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you believe people should or should not transition? Why or why not?

Most people who are going full transition - are homosexual. Most studies are showing that transition either not helps or helps only slightly. So I am against transition except very rare cases.

As the LGB, what would you like for the T to know or do for your group to support you?(talking about regular T, like gender non-conforming folks or homosexual transexuals, not the...autogynephiles).

Call out AGP's, call out agressive allies, speak out at loud against kid transitioning, destroying of sex based protections and lesbian erasure.

Do you know many in your circle that transitioned and are either part of the L, G, or B? What is the story behind that?

All full transitioned people I know are homosexual men.

Have YOU been pressured to transition or be apart of the "queer" community?

Yes, but has nothing to do with queer movement. It was in the end of 80s in USSR. Homosexuality was against the law. I was born with ambigious genitalia as was born with congenital disorders of sexual development (cDSD, intersex). Doctors made tests and found ovaries, so assigned me as female ("assigning at birth" is medical malpractice used against intersex children, it is not practiced anymore). Because of that they decided to pump me with estrogenes - this started my puberty earlier than it should (so I am very short in a country of tall women), later they found out that I am lesbian. At first they decided I like femininity and tried to make me date feminine boys (I was like age of 14, but almost at the end of puberty), as they thought lesbianism is about liking femininity, not females. When it failed, they tried to "cure" my lesbianism other way around - they decided to re-assign me as a male, and thought they just made mistake in childhood. So they started pumping me with testosterone for a year and I was referring to myself as "he" (our language is gendered so every time you speak about yourself, you are using words that reveal your sex). Then USSR crashed and homosexuality stopped being "pathology" anymore in my country and this stopped. I went back on estrogene for a year. I am almost half a century old now, but still have facial hair from that testosterone "treatment". I am basically "detransitioner", even thought I don't think like that about myself. I can get pregnant, so I am female, to clarify.

It is one of reasons why I dislike this movement. It uses rhetorics and methods of homophobic conservative countries.

When do you predict the "T" will be dropped from the "LGB"?

Not any time soon. 5-10 years. And most likely HSTS would stay...

[–]cure_osa_disorder 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We can't wait that long. The T needs to be dropped now, if not a decade ago.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you believe people should or should not transition? Why or why not?

No, I do not. A transgender woman was born male and will always be male, so he’s still a man. A transgender man was born female and will always be female, so she’s still a woman. You cannot change your sex. No amount of surgery or hormones can alter that. Same how you cannot alter your race or your sexual orientation.

As the LGB, what would you like for the T to know or do for your group to support you?(talking about regular T, like gender non-conforming folks or homosexual transexuals, not the...autogynephiles).

I want the T to be permanently separated from LGB. There is nothing the T can do to help us other than leave us alone. Homosexual transsexuals should just be gay. If you’re a gay man who wishes he was a straight woman, you are never going to be a straight woman no matter what you do or try to do - just accept that you’re a man who’s interested in men and learn to understand how to be a man and how to be a homosexual.

Do you know many in your circle that transitioned and are either part of the L, G, or B? What is the story behind that?

No. I have met a man who identified as a woman. He was cool to be around in person, but his online persona was revealing of an angry, resentful person.

Have YOU been pressured to transition or be apart of the "queer" community?

No.

When do you predict the "T" will be dropped from the "LGB"?

It’s hard to tell, but it is becoming increasingly possible that the T can get dropped. Hopefully it will happen sooner than later.

Any additional thoughts?

No. Nothing comes to mind.

[–]MilkTea 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. I don’t care if a grown ass adult wants to transition. Some people get surgery to look like a reptile, doesn’t mean they are actual reptiles. But do not emotionally manipulate and shame people into donating for your cosmetic surgeries. It’s not the end of the world if you don’t get a boob job. Get therapy instead. It also becomes a problem when they heavily push their ideology onto impressionable and vulnerable children, making them believe all their problems would go away by transitioning (and then ostracize them after detransitioning). Or when they force us to believe they are the same as biological males/females. I could go off on a tangent and list all the problems, but I’ll stop myself there.

  2. I want the T to know that not following gender roles and stereotypes doesn’t make people trans or nonbinary. I also want them to criticize the AGPs and the yaoi obsessed Aidens publicly when they say something homophobic. And yes, adding “cis” in front of gays still doesn’t make it acceptable. We’re at a point where no one is allowed to criticize the T that they even get a lot of support from “allies” for being blatantly homophobic. Woke homophobia is still homophobia.

  3. Most people in my circle are straight, but I know someone who started dating an ftm. She would say some.. questionable things since they started dating. Like saying children as young as 4 could know their “gender identity” while looking at me like I was the crazy one.

  4. Thankfully I’ve never been pressured into transitioning, but that’s only because I stayed away from “LGBT” clubs and spaces. I live in a woque™ country, so I’d like to avoid them as much as possible. If I was a teen in this generation though, I’d for sure be identifying as a “demisexual nonbinary” or something like that. Even as a child, I thought there was something wrong with me because I was a tomboy and hated “girly” things, unlike my friends and the rest of the girls at my school.

  5. Who knows. There’s still way too many people who believe gay and trans people are one and the same. They’re not even aware of how LGB’s are treated by the TQ+. All we can do is continue to expose the danger and hypocrisy of the trans ideology to the public.

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1 - I would lean generally towards not transitioning. Very expensive, permanent, cosmetic surgery would be something to avoid if possible. If they are a legal adult, then I cannot stop them or tell them they can't though. That is their decision (and potential fuck up) to make.

2 - To stand against the weird Twitter dwellers and obsessive people who continue to propagate these ridiculous ideas that biological sex doesn't matter, that distinctions don't exist, that we are evil / right-wing / TERFs / Nazis / inherently hateful / literally killing people with our outlook and ideas, and that we "the cis gays" should just shut the fuck up and take that boypussy or girldick or whatever they want to call it.

3 - No. Would like to know someone who has though. Just to see another perspective.

4 - Thankfully not. But the main reason I joined was because of how I observed the change from the focus of the community being primarily LGB to completely TQ+ and how much more... "weird" it got with that shift. Granted, the Tumblr-type people have always existed, but they really became a lot more prominent after.

5 - Cannot tell. I will just observe the general attitude towards the whole gender and TQ+ stuff as it continues to grow in the meanwhile. I will get back to you once people either start mass denouncing or mass believing the gender and pronoun shit.

Additional - Do not let kids transition or encourage it. Let them "discover themselves" as an adult and grow out of the need to constantly seek validation and attention, which the internet gives a lot of. That is all, mostly. Honestly, that is the only thing I am perfectly serious and certain about among the whole TQ+ issue. I would much rather their teenage cringe phase to look back upon not be marred by the long term physical and mental effects of puberty blockers and living life on the internet.

[–]winterwillow 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you believe people should or should not transition? Why or why not?

I do not believe people should transition unless every other option have been explored, and the person is over 25 years old. Learning self-acceptance can be very helpful even if transition turns out to be the best solution, since so many have very unrealistic 'transition goals'.

As the LGB, what would you like for the T to know or do for your group to support you?(talking about regular T, like gender non-conforming folks or homosexual transexuals, not the...autogynephiles).

Would like them to 1) acknowledge biological sex and that it can't be changed 2) acknowledge the need for separate spaces, I have great gay guy friends, still want a space away from them sometimes, it's not hate. 3) call out the entitled behaviour from heterosexual trans people. If we could start with these basic things, at least then maybe a productive dialogue could be had, instead of arguing over definitions and exclusion.

Do you know many in your circle that transitioned and are either part of the L, G, or B? What is the story behind that?

I have a trans women friend from middle/high school, who transitioned maybe 8 years ago when he was mid-twenties. He was always looking for a new identity, music, heritage, language etc. He is bisexual, but I only found out after he transitioned, and then he was already dating his current gf, who he met as a guy. He only dated guys in 'girl mode' and one of them treated him very badly sadly. He strikes me more as a HSTS, and he lives a quiet work-focused life nowadays, and is not active in any lgbt issues. I hope transition worked out for him, but I don't know how he's doing except some FB posts and messages.

I also met several trans men in transition when I was attending university in 2012, this was just about when the trans community started gaining traction. They were all homosexual i e lesbians from what I could tell, but I wasn't close to any of them, it was through the lgbt student organisation.

Have YOU been pressured to transition or be apart of the "queer" community?

Hmm, no, but I did have a period in my teens where I had dysphoria, did bind, cut my hair, dressed androgynously etc. And at my time at uni with the trans men, I did read Butler and made brain tests that told me I had a 'male brain' and thought I was demisexual and 'genderqueer', but I never said anything in public or to friends even, and pronouns wasn't a thing yet. And my rational male brain (lol) told me I could never identify out of my female body or oppression. And then I found rad fems on tumblr who said the same thing thankfully.

When do you predict the "T" will be dropped from the "LGB"?

I think the time is coming sooner than we think. We can't have that many more Keira Bell cases without some corner stones of the trans ideology crumbling. And there's a time limit to trends. How cool and special is it to be non-binary if your mom, sister, three of your friends and the entire lgbtqia+++ club identify as such? The sad thing is that the dropping should be done before everything crumbles, because they will try to drag us down with them, and homophobic politicians will try to take advantage. But I do have hope.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think the time is coming sooner than we think. We can't have that many more Keira Bell cases without some corner stones of the trans ideology crumbling. And there's a time limit to trends. How cool and special is it to be non-binary if your mom, sister, three of your friends and the entire lgbtqia+++ club identify as such? The sad thing is that the dropping should be done before everything crumbles, because they will try to drag us down with them, and homophobic politicians will try to take advantage. But I do have hope.

Those are all really good points.

[–]MiaXiang 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"How the LGB community sees me" is portraying a person in drag.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And the other one's Marilyn Monroe

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

  1. No, they should not. There's little to no evidence that transitioning actually helps dysphoric people in the long run. And in fact, there seems to be evidence that transitioning can actually INCREASE suicidal ideation. Another problem I have is that the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria seems a bit broad and vague in the first place, which is exactly why I think so many gender nonconforming kids are in danger from gender ideology. Just look at the case with Keira Bell, how many more gay and GNC kids have been harmed by the "trans kid" phenomenon? In addition, and this is probably a very unpopular opinion, but I think giving males the ability to pass convincingly as females is just WAY too dangerous for women and children. We've already seen plenty of examples of men transitioning MtF to try and cover up their past or get access to women. (See: men coming out as trans in prison and requesting to be sent to women's prison). And men dressing up as women in order to try and creep on women really isn't a new thing either. In my opinion, transition should only be allowed for females, and it should be an ultimate last resort, for dysphoria that hasn't responded to any other form of treatment.

  2. I just want all heterosexual Ts to fuck the hell off and leave us alone. I don't care if they're autogynephiles or transvestites or GNC or whatever, I still think virtually all heterosexual Ts are fetishistic to some extent. And homosexual and bisexual Ts need to 1) Stop trying to catfish straight people, it's gross as hell and it looks bad for all of us. 2) Stop demonizing women with the stupid "T3RF" shit. I know there's plenty of "true transsexuals" and "truscum" who still call women "T3RFs". I guess this doesn't exactly answer your question of how to support us, but this is how they can at least stop hurting us and women in general.

  3. No, I don't know many LGB people irl to begin with.

  4. Sort of, but not exactly. When I was younger and not critical of "queer" ideology yet, I was sort of heading down the road of identifying as "agender", I think. Because I had never "felt like a woman". Then I had a therapist sort of bring up the option of transitioning when I mentioned I felt uncomfortable as a female, but I was already critical of gender theory at that time so I brushed it off. I realize that could have gone different for me if I had still been into queer theory though.

  5. I don't know, I hope within the next decade. People keep saying that the tide is turning, but it's turning awfully slowly apparently, because people have been saying that for a while.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you believe people should or should not transition? Why or why not?

It should be their choice. At this moment, I'd personally advise against it, though. Not going into details of surgery and hormone taking complications, I believe that trans people are guided towards very bloody and impossible to reverse solutions, instead of learning to accept themselves for who they are: trans men and trans women. I always found surprising this approach of trans commuinty to try and force reality into obedience to their cause. Part of growing up is understanding that some things cannot be changed.

As the LGB, what would you like for the T to know or do for your group to support you?(talking about regular T, like gender non-conforming folks or homosexual transexuals, not the...autogynephiles).

As the LGB community, we've recently experienced nothing but attacks from the T. At this moment I don't want their support, I want them to stop getting involved into matters of LGB community, no matter the intents.

Do you know many in your circle that transitioned and are either part of the L, G, or B? What is the story behind that?

Nope.

Have YOU been pressured to transition or be apart of the "queer" community?

No but I really wouldn't care.

When do you predict the "T" will be dropped from the "LGB"?

It won't happen that way. When the DroptheT movement will really increase their numbers, TQ community will make a decision to leave LGBTQ and create a new movement, to pretend like it was their idea all along and like they've everything under control.

That will be the real start of LGB vs. TQ war, as they won't forgive us disobedience.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wanted to add in addition to my response, I love these types of posts, please keep doing them! It's so fascinating to hear what other people think and what their experiences are.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

These posts are fun to do, I like to hear others thoughts and see discussions! I try to respond when I can, but sometimes I feel like I don't have much to add, especially if I already agree with pretty much everything that person said. I've changed my mind on some things just seeing what you guys/gals posted.

I am planning on posting a part 2 for "Questions for Lesbians", but first want to post one for gay men too. I still haven't responded too all the insightful/great responses to that thread yet!

I usually post bisexual related topics in s/bisexuals to keep it alive but...I may start (re)posting that here to hear a variety of voices. I just don't want to spam the s/LGBDroptheT with all those types of posts. Was hoping that s/LGB would open up for more light-hearted fun, some posts I have may not exactly be "Dropt the T" related, but specific to issues bisexual people face (and wouldn't mind posting about lesbian/gay issues I find online to get you guy's & gal's point of view on it).

Edit: format

[–]reluctant_commenter 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am planning on posting a part 2 for "Questions for Lesbians", but first want to post one for gay men too. I still haven't responded too all the insightful/great responses to that thread yet!

Omg, I still need to respond to that one! I wrote up a whole response then never posted it lol. I'll do that. :)

Also I love all those ideas! Curious to hear gay men's perspective. Idk about other people but I am 100% down for light-hearted posts as well... til s/LGB is up (and I know TumbleweedFireflies was working on that, but haven't heard from them in a while), might as well post them here?

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

(1) No, not really. You can change your name, how other people refer to you in the 3rd person, and what you look like, but you can’t change your sex, so what’s the point? Instead, we should treat it like other types of body dysmorphia—with therapy. (2) Leave us alone. Stop trying to force yourself into spaces not meant for you. (3) A friend of mine became a TRA after his sister started transitioning to look male. Another claims to be trans, but doesn’t know what she identifies as. There’s also a discord server I’m on where literally everyone is trans/nonbinary. (4) A few years ago, I was in my “woke SJW/TRA phase”. I genuinely thought that I was a transgender male because of the literature I read. I got over it once I got off Tumblr and woke Pinterest, though. (5) Honestly, I don’t see it happening anytime soon. If anything, it’s just going to get worse. Leave while you still can lmao

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  1. No. It's more extreme than any other cosmetic surgery and, more often than not, it fucks people's health up for life. Not to mention "sex reassignment surgery" has been weaponized and forced on people - it should be banned.

  2. I personally don't give two shits if they "support" me or not. I actually prefer it when they say shit like "omg i hate the gays" than pretend to care by saying I'm "valid" and "brave" and other half-assed, meaningless statements. I don't want their pity, I don't want to be a LGBT poster child, I don't even want the respect of other gay men. All I want is to be left alone and do my own thing and not be called transphobic for not believing in what is essentially a religion, or called "homophobic" for refusing to date women or men three times my age.

  3. I am acquaintances with a few trans people, they tend to be bi or at least claim to be.

  4. Yes. Because I don't conform to masculinity and hate being in a male social role, so apparently that means I MUST permanently alter my body in an attempt to get female genitalia I don't want... or else I'll die. I am also shoved into "queers" and "LGBTQ people" without my consent, more people have called me "a queer person" or a "LGBT person" than homosexual.

  5. It won't. I'm sorry but I don't believe it will.The LGBT is controlled by big corporations with a lot of money and influence, and they will always be the "spokespeople" for LGBT and gay events/"activism." Until trans stops being profitable or popular among liberal people (and I don't think it will) they are not going to leave it out.

Some people say that stories of SRS gone wrong or abused children will "wake people up" and mass turn against the trans, but there have already been plenty of cases like that, and they just get swept under the rug. The average person does not care nor will even see those cases, they have just been taught by propaganda that trans is "who a person is" and that it's wholesome and benign.

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

1 - Do you believe people should or should not transition? Why or why not?

No, in almost every single case. I do believe that an adult ought to have the right to. I think of transition for gender dysphoria like electroshock therapy for depression-- it's a tool of last resort that can be valuable (despite what the general public may think), but ought to be used very, very sparingly and with careful thought.

In statistics, there are "false positives" (Type I error) and "false negatives" (Type II error). Right now, we are having a huge "false positive" error rate when it comes to evaluating who should medically transition. LGB people (including children) are being pressured to medically transition by homophobic parents, governments even, and their peer groups.

2 - As the LGB, what would you like for the T to know or do for your group to support you?(talking about regular T, like gender non-conforming folks or homosexual transexuals, not the...autogynephiles).

They should:

  • Insist that only adults are allowed to transition. Above all else, this is practically mandatory. I am highly suspicious of any person who believes that children should transition; they are likely undereducated or even predatory.

  • Call out homophobia from liberals when they see it. This includes people saying that sexual orientation is based on attraction to a "gender identity" or describing monosexuality as a "genital fetish". That is false.

I could list more but those are the biggest ones.

3 - Do you know many in your circle that transitioned and are either part of the L, G, or B? What is the story behind that?

Oh, yeah, plenty. I could describe more, but here are two I knew particularly well:

  • Male to nonbinary - Guy who identified as a gay man and dated only men before he transitioned to nonbinary, asked to be called by "they" pronouns. He was highly narcissistic. Most trans people I meet in real life are actually not that narcissistic (despite the overrepresentation of narcissistic trans people online), but more likely have autism traits... not this guy, he really was self-centered. He was also verbally and physically aggressive and proud of it, and firmly believed in a "hierarchy of oppression" in which he was at the top (which is part of why I eventually stopped being friends with him, long before I learned about all this TRA stuff).

  • Female to nonbinary to male - I have thought this person may be on the autism spectrum for a long time, before I even learned about the prevalence of ASD traits within trans/nonbinary populations. She struggled with sensory issues (everything super loud, smelled super strong to her), had clear struggles with understanding social cues and reading others' emotions. She was gullible, and a very earnest person. When I hung out with her she was nonbinary, but I heard she started identifying as a guy. Kind, smart, and and I enjoyed talking with her, but she was really struggling to find a friend group and her identity. I think of her when "drop the T" comes up because in my mind, she is a victim of this movement JUST as much as us, and it is honestly heartbreaking.

4 - Have YOU been pressured to transition or be apart of the "queer" community?

Yeah, definitely. I myself have not been outright told, IRL, that I am a transman in denial, but I have a friend who that happened to repeatedly when she was in college, and that scares me.

I have been pressured much more (in person and online) to identify as bisexual. "Everybody is bisexual" was a a super common sentiment when I was in school, and the couple lesbians there were, were often spoken of disparagingly. One self-identified lesbian kept hooking up with men and that confused the hell out of me. (I hesitate to judge her actual sexual orientation because there was a lot of pressure to not be lesbian.) Among my peers at the time, bisexuals were ascribed many positive character traits, particularly open-mindedness, and self-identified bisexuals far outnumbered gay men or lesbians. Lotta people were into queer theory... even back then when I was a TRA-sympathizer, I thought it was BS though, lol.

5 - When do you predict the "T" will be dropped from the "LGB"?

Hmm... you know, it kind of depends how you define "dropping the T". I think we will start to hear a lot more about this topic in the mainstream media within the next 5 years, and that will likely lead to a differentiation between LGB rights groups and "LGBTQ+" rights groups as different things (which they are). However, I think it's gonna take another 10-15 years before we start seeing the results of lawsuits, medical practice recommendation changes, those sorts of systematic changes. And a few decades, at least, before we are safely past this whole thing.

On the one hand-- as u/winterwillow wisely pointed out, identifying as transgender is a trend, and that trend may end sooner than we might expect, particularly certain aspects of it like nonbinary non-medical transition. However, I think dropping the T completely will be a long and drawn-out process because the people who medically transitioned will be deep into a "sunk-cost fallacy" mindset and in denial about the damage they've done to their own bodies and to LGB people. However, it's worth observing-- even if straight people and "transtrenders" end up completely ignoring the damage they've done to the LGB community (which seems likely), they cannot ignore the harms of their medical transition forever (e.g. one's own loss of bone density from taking puberty blockers, and similar negative health ramifications of medical transition). That will get many of the most resistant ones to come around, albeit as much older adults.

edit: formatting and crap.

ALSO: I love these types of posts, please keep doing them, PeakingPeachEater. :) They make me reflect and I think that's a good thing! (I still haven't done that other one you posted ages ago, lol.)

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  1. If they wish to, then they can. I'm not gonna stop them. I see their transitioning as a type of body modification.
  2. Stop erasure of sex based rights, sexuality, and women (and men). Also, don't pressure so called "gnc" into transitioning.
  3. Eh, does family friend count? Transwoman who dates other men. So, HSTS but transitioned when older. So, basically lived as a feminine gay man then transitioned into a "straight woman."
  4. Yes/no. Different reasons also involved but they further pushed it (me) to the edge of wanting to transitioning if that makes sense.
  5. When society wakes up and puts a stop to it. Especially with the help of straight people (sorry not sorry for some of y'all but whether you like to admit it or not... We need straight allies as they're the majority).

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(1) I don't care if they're adults and are informed about what is going on medically with them so they can make an informed decision. Even, if they're teenagers and have gone through that early part of puberty where most of them sort themselves out by then anyway— with proper medical care transitioning is ok (but I'm doubting that affirming care is anywhere near enough here).

(2) I would like to stop putting them on a pedestal. No they won't kill themselves if you tell them to get a grip. There is so much stupid coming out of internet and activist circles at the moment it's pathetic. No, transwomen shouldn't be in women's sports, no, lesbians don't want to suck your girldick, non-binary is a stupid concept, and please, please, stop transing young pre-teens.

(3) A couple. They where both young adults with ASD, and were struggling with finishing their studies, finding work, and their place in the world. They were not effeminate nor GNC kids, they probably just needed some general councelling, paid work, and self-esteem.

(4) No. I'm too old for that generation.

(5) I predict that a lot of young adults will detransition and then the conversation and medical practices will dramatically change. I don't know if the LGB will split themselves off entirely. I think in the real world (like, not the internet), the L, G, B, and T are pretty seperate communities anyway. I hope we advocate for young kids not having this stuff pushed on them because it terrifies me that kids and teenagers are going to get caught up in modifying their bodies in huge ways that the may later regret. I also don't think that a kid needs to be asking themselves these sorts of questions unless they're extremely distressed about their gender— they should just have the opportunity to be kids.

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Whoops wrong thread but I'll answer.

Yes, in rare and isolated circumstances, like it was the case years and years ago. I believe the T has been hijacked by other mentally ill people.

I think in rare cases complete transition does seem to help individuals.

2.Just leave lesbians the hell alone. Create their own damn communities and respect the spaces intended for others.

3.Yes, friend of like 20 years transitioned about 3 years ago. Friend has always been different and something seemed off, inability to develop long last relationships, issues with empathy etc. He previously identified as a gay male.

4.No because I don't associate with the queer community. I DO get constant pressure to appear feminine though by almost everyone including or especially woke types in my life.

5.I don't think T will be dropped I think the G&L will have distanced and stopped associating with T long before the court cases and bad press starts.