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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 43 insightful - 5 fun43 insightful - 4 fun44 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

I feel the same way. One of my family my members dismissively said, “She's always had dude vibes.” I was so annoyed. When I went back and watched her I agree that she is more feminine than people give her credit for. Not really even butch, just tomboy/chapstick. She’s no girly girl and pretty clockable as a lesbian, but manly? Not even. If this is manly, I might as well transition too.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 29 insightful - 4 fun29 insightful - 3 fun30 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, her clothes style in masculine, but she's naturally feminine. That's feminine mannerism. Not even close to being actually masculine

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm legitimately more manly than her and I never considered myself trans or non-binary. It's just the way I am and I'm not gonna "fix" myself to fit a stereotype.

[–]reluctant_commenter 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When I went back and watched her I agree that she is more feminine than people give her credit for. Not really even butch, just tomboy/chapstick. She’s no girly girl and pretty clockable as a lesbian, but manly? Not even. If this is manly, I might as well transition too.

Ugh, thank you. This basically describes me as well, and part of why I've kind of looked up to Ellen as a role model is because I am very similar in that regard. I had relatives bash me while growing up for not being feminine enough, like one of your family members suggested about Ellen. But I don't think I'm even that masculine... some people, TRAs and far right alike, are just way too strict on their standards for how feminine a woman "should" be.

[–]blackrainbow 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

If you don't look like Kim Kardashian then you're a guy inside of course

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Right? The goalposts just keep moving way, WAY far away.