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[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 38 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 0 fun39 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

This is probably going to be a jumble of thoughts but I’m still reeling over Ellen Page’s jarring coming out, the impossibility of calling her Elliot/he/they, the betrayal and cop-out that it feels like, and also the lack of responsibility and attention to detail in how she has expressed herself. She decries the lack of LGBTQ representation but in effect has contributed to that.

Relationship with HRC

I sought to figure out how this developed since I have not followed Page too closely over the years. And while I am partially to blame, the initial thread on her coming out got derailed. I always noted that she seemed quite close with the Human Rights Campaign. She did her public coming out as a lesbian at an event hosted by them and has continued to be involved with them over the years. She seems to have a lot of emotional capital tied up with HRC basically. Does anyone know the details of her relationship with them? Is there an individual there she’s particularly close with? Are there any other lesbians, gay men, or bisexuals that you are aware of that are particularly wrapped up with them?

The Intense Vagueness of her Language Compared to When She Came Out as a Lesbian

In terms of what Ellen has communicated, what jumps out in both this linked video from almost 2 years ago and also her coming out as transletter is the intense vagueness. Her tone and demeanor are completely different than her lesbian coming out speech where she seemed nervous but comfortable with and sure of herself. She talked about being comfortable with her gender non-conformity there. Her speech was full of raw emotion but more personal, full of love, and heartfelt.

In contrast, stuff may have been edited out of her 2019 interview, but even where there is no cutting, she acts as if every thought is limited by Twitter-level character limits. It just comes cross as frantic, but confused raw pain and anger, likes she’s upset but she doesn’t even know at what exactly and what she wants as a solution. The same characteristics in the 2019 video are present in her coming out as trans letter.

Now when analyzing the language she uses in the 2019 video, she does explain the why behind her demeanor as rampant homophobia and misogyny, which makes her now chosen solution of identifying out of womanhood even more sad. She still uses the word “gay” to describe herself. It’s the rest of the vague-oral-Tweeting that set off alarm bells in me:”

  • ”what’s been happening in the world for a long time forever”

  • “It’s life or death. These issues that we are talking about are life and death. And a lot of the issues we’re talking about seem to be debates in the media, and they’re not, you know.”

  • “I’m fed up with the pain and we need to be talking about it more and the realities of what the impacts are on people’s life, on LGBTQ people’s life when we have so little representation whether it’s in film or television or like in news media. We’re not hearing about the things we should be hearing about; the stories, what’s going on in Chechnya, it’s upsetting.”

Chechnya is the most specific thing she mentions and it’s also an uncontroversial thing to mention in liberal circles circles because the perpetrator is Russia and Chechnyans are Muslims. <— Let me rephrase this as “Russia is seen as responsible and actively letting it happen” though the direct perpetrators are in reality the Chechnyan Muslims themselves, but the American left refuses to criticize or even discuss Islamic homophobia.

Ironically, the HRC is among the reasons homophobia around the world is not being discussed in America. As I’ve said before, LGBTTTQQQ orgs like HRC seem to want to cut off LGB people from our sense of homophobia and instead direct us to look inward and question our “genital preferences” aka homosexuality/bisexuality instead of embracing it. We are to focus on our identity and remember that we “cis gays” are the privileged ones. So of course Ellen doesn’t mention Iran as the HRC has avoided acknowledging the forced transition of gay men there as criminal punishment for homosexuality. HRC sang that Pakistan supported trans rights when they specifically required the transition of a gay man into a woman as a requirement to be in a relationship with another man.

She Quickly Went From Calling Herself a Gay Woman to Using Neither “Gay” nor “Woman” but “Trans” and “Queer”

The effect is that Ellen ends up sounding more like someone repeating what she remembers of HRC’s talking points than someone who has learned from her travels a lot about how the world mistreats gay people. I honestly don’t understand the thought process behind apparently witnessing and experiencing sex-based oppression at home and abroad and then choosing as your solution that sex is meaningless and words should be changed so that we cannot effectively discuss the problems you witnessed.

Ellen came out as “trans” and “queer” not non-binary or as a trans man specifically. So trans is the destination not the means to an end. She plays it fast and loose by saying she uses he/they pronouns (anything but “she”/womanhood).

She literally traded her sexual orientation in to adopt the last two letters of LGBTQ, you know, the only ones that have nothing to do with sexual orientation.

I feel beat down.

[–]fuck_reddit 45 insightful - 4 fun45 insightful - 3 fun46 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

The Chechnya, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan things all make my blood boil. Gay men and Lesbians are being murdered in other countries, but I'm told that I should instead focus on memorizing 1 million made up pronouns because that's apparently more important. Also I'm told my sexuality is a choice and that I should be glad straight women call me a "fag" and "queer."

[–]8bitgay 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hell, even the trans cause itself. There are trans people that get killed, and I certainly find it awful.

But so many of the TRAs care more about bullying gays and lesbians than about actually protecting trans lives at risk.

Go protest against the people who are actually involved in your afflictions. No gay man or lesbian woman is out there killing trans people or kicking them out of home.

[–]fuck_reddit 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Probably cause a lot of trans people that are killed die for other reasons. I hate to say it, but it's probably not politically expedient to them, so they only use them as political props. That said, I would love to reduce murder, across the board or in any specific area. So I'm 100% on board with reducing trans murder rates... so long as we can also work to reduce the murder/execution/persecution/conversion therapy/forced transitioning of gay men abroad.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

personal

Yeah, lesbian coming out was personal, and trans coming out is very vague and all about other people, never about herself and her descision why.

Now when analyzing the language she uses in the 2019 video, she does explain the why behind her demeanor as rampant homophobia and misogyny, which makes her now chosen solution of identifying out of womanhood even more sad. She still uses the word “gay” to describe herself. It’s the rest of the vague-oral-Tweeting that set off alarm bells in me:”

So her solution to fight homophobia against you is to stop being homosexual and comply to attacker demands?

Chechnya is the most specific thing she mentions and it’s also an uncontroversial thing to mention in liberal circles circles because the perpetrator is Russia and Chechnyans are Muslims.

It is funny, because most problems there actually from Muslims and Russia almost not interrupting anything there at all. So liberals are getting it other way around.

[–]blackrainbow 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

and trans coming out is very vague and all about other people, never about herself and her descision why.

It was a set of random unpersonal slogans. You could easily see that she was brainwashed.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She is with HRC and her wife seems to be very pro-trans, so maybe, yeah. She became less happy after marriage too.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

1,000%!!

[–]Femaleisnthateful 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was struck by the vitriol in Ellen's 'coming out' message directed at persons (s)he leaves unnamed so they cannot defend themselves from Ellen's baseless accusations. She talks about herself in a tepid manner, as you mention, but there's a lot of anger being projected. I suspect her new identity has a lot to do with the repositioning of gay persons as 'non-straight privileged cis people'. It definitely seems like HRC wanted a trendier spokesperson. Also, it's impossible for me to consider the timing of her message to coincide with the Keira Bell verdict as a coincidence.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

thank you for this, wonderful research! i applaud you.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 29 insightful - 12 fun29 insightful - 11 fun30 insightful - 12 fun -  (0 children)

"We have so little representattion"

So lets make it less by becoming "straight white man"?

[–][deleted] 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Just watching her mannerisms and facial expressions, the way she holds herself, I can't help but think how on earth is she meant to be a man?

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 43 insightful - 5 fun43 insightful - 4 fun44 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

I feel the same way. One of my family my members dismissively said, “She's always had dude vibes.” I was so annoyed. When I went back and watched her I agree that she is more feminine than people give her credit for. Not really even butch, just tomboy/chapstick. She’s no girly girl and pretty clockable as a lesbian, but manly? Not even. If this is manly, I might as well transition too.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 29 insightful - 4 fun29 insightful - 3 fun30 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, her clothes style in masculine, but she's naturally feminine. That's feminine mannerism. Not even close to being actually masculine

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm legitimately more manly than her and I never considered myself trans or non-binary. It's just the way I am and I'm not gonna "fix" myself to fit a stereotype.

[–]reluctant_commenter 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

When I went back and watched her I agree that she is more feminine than people give her credit for. Not really even butch, just tomboy/chapstick. She’s no girly girl and pretty clockable as a lesbian, but manly? Not even. If this is manly, I might as well transition too.

Ugh, thank you. This basically describes me as well, and part of why I've kind of looked up to Ellen as a role model is because I am very similar in that regard. I had relatives bash me while growing up for not being feminine enough, like one of your family members suggested about Ellen. But I don't think I'm even that masculine... some people, TRAs and far right alike, are just way too strict on their standards for how feminine a woman "should" be.

[–]blackrainbow 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

If you don't look like Kim Kardashian then you're a guy inside of course

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Right? The goalposts just keep moving way, WAY far away.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Her pronouns are "he/they" now, meaning she doesn't want to be a man - she wants to be anything but a woman.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

:( oof god this made me sad

[–]chazzstrong 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I'm still willing to place money on Elliot never even transitioning, like never making an attempt to pass ( she doesn't, she is still VERY feminine ), and at-most just dressing in pants and suits like apparently only real men can do.

Honestly, this shit is just some of the most backwards, sexist, disgusting tripe I have ever seen...and the people cheering her on make me ill.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

As I said in another comment:

Is she going to do surgeries too?

Probably not. She only had to post a tweet and now even her Wikipedia is referring to her as a "he" and everyone even typing the name Elllen is being aggressively accused of deadnaming. Why get surgeries when it's that easy?

[–]Femaleisnthateful 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

She won't be taken seriously as a man if she doesn't medically transition. On the other hand, she'll kill her career if she masculinizes. She'll never pull off a 'male lead'. Either way, this ends badly in a few years.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

She won't be taken seriously as a man if she doesn't medically transition.

But she already is being taken seriously as a man without medically transitioning. Like I said even using the name "Ellen" has the libfems jumping down your throat. I get your point about how she's gonna have to figure her shit out when it comes to her career, though. Hollywood execs aren't as "validating" as libfems.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bah, she's not being taken seriously. She's just collecting Wokepoints by doing the bidding of Wokesters. That, and everyone's applauding her because everyone's afraid not too. It's cheap virtue signalling. If she doesn't do anything to seriously medically transition, she'll be another Sam Smith.

[–]JulienMayfair 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Page married the younger (and thus more likely to be into gender ideology) Emma Portner in 2018. Two years later, she announces she's transitioning. Google pictures of them as a couple, and tell me what you think about their body language and facial expressions.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 30 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 0 fun31 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

Going off only the public photos that come up on Google Images, they consistently show the outward displays of affection flowing exclusively from Ellen to Emma with Ellen having much more submissive energy about her often looking over at Emma as if she’s seeking her approval or attention. My armchair diagnosis hot take is that this doesn’t look like a very egalitarian relationship where both parties have different but compatible and mutually reinforcing energies. Taken all together, it does give the impression that Ellen would not be transitioning without Emma’s approval, if not influence.

Tl;dr: Ellen is whipped. Emma, don’t be hurting Ellen! She is, as she said, fragile.

Edit: Oh yea, Emma is in the cult for sure.

[–]JulienMayfair 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

You read the photos just like I did and expressed what I perceived more eloquently than I would have.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Aww no, I was hoping you’d say I was wrong and overly critical. Ellen, she’s just not that into you. Get out of there bb girl. You don’t have to change yourself.

Their outward dynamic, Emma’s facial expressions generally, Emma’s creepy tweet about “fervently” supporting trans people every day, Ellen’s frantic and uncomfortable garbled language—all really just make this whole thing feel even more sinister and dystopian. And unless Ellen starts taking T, I can’t imagine she will feel all good and secure and relieved right now or anytime soon.

[–]JulienMayfair 18 insightful - 7 fun18 insightful - 6 fun19 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

I've taught drama and so have worked around actors. There is, of course, a range, but actors are not necessarily the most emotionally stable people in the world. As far back as college, I said, after going to a party full of theater students, "The room seemed very crowded, probably because each of the acting students was trying to be three different people at once."

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I swore off hanging out with drama students after ending up at a party full of them in high school. There was far too much going on with how they interacted, and it felt a little bit unsafe. I still remember it. I didn't feel like I was going to know who I was dealing with so I stayed in a corner until an exit was possible.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

thats sad to hear, what year was that out of curiousity?

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Answering that would be too much PII. :-)

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

There is a lot of "yikes" in those images. Emma looks imperious and smug most of the time. If someone presented just this one image to me as representative of the relationship I would tell Ellen/Elliott to get the hell out. This is actually creepy. Something is not right here, indeed.

https://images.app.goo.gl/gQ6YxaJ3MjBiMd2W9

The sad part is that Ellen didn't see it. People often don't. A predator will lock on to one's vulnerabilities and use them against you.

https://images.app.goo.gl/5DnwTFHnxLZCLZ1n7

Classic narcissistic smirk / sociopathic gaze; won't try to guess the degree of each, but boy howdy, no thank you:

https://images.app.goo.gl/CNcBWFkEN7MY7t7Y9

Source: Correctly predicting this type of abusive relationship every time I saw friends enter into one, and correctly (verification available) identifying the pathology of dozens of people with this type of presentation in photographs. So I'm comfortable with these statements.

I wouldn't be surprised if a few years from now there is another confession and it comes from Ellen again. I hope she is uncomfortable enough right now that she isn't taking any irreversible steps. She appears to have walked into a trap.

[–]throwawayanylogic 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Classic narcissistic smirk / sociopathic gaze

Nailed it. The exact energy I was getting from those pictures.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, watching this go down is reminding me of a number of things I've personally witnessed and experienced. Ellen doesn't need a sex swap, she needs an extraction. Even if she eventually re-decided to make this choice, she shouldn't be making it while in this kind of relationship. The likelihood of exploitation is too high. Right now, she is a trophy, not a human being.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More photos—in which she doesn't look remotely approachable or warm or friendly, or even emotionally present. You might need a barf bag to read text, but in a way, it inadvertently describes some of the benefits to Portner of having Page in her life. Also, Portner is seven years younger. The young, powerful, charismatic narcissist is an intoxicating predator to encounter.

https://thenetline.com/the-untold-truth-ellen-page-wife/ https://archive.vn/bfM2K

[–]Femaleisnthateful 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They married after six months together. Yowzers. You know, I'm realizing that there's a massive disconnect between the person (Ellen) I see in photos and in candid interviews, versus the one who retweets caustic Wokeism on Twitter and published that vitriolic 'I'm trans' PR bit that lashed out at unnamed enemies. I'm feeling more and more like she's a very vulnerable and insecure person (the coming out letter alluded heavily to that) who is being puppeted by entities trying to capitalize on her fame.

[–]SpatOuttheKoolaid 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

She often displays very vulnerable and insecure body language, like in this interview. She's talked about struggling with depression, sexual harassment during XMen, likely has trauma she's not sharing with the entire world. Every trans man/nb woman I've met in real life has had serious trauma history. Cults and narcissists alike both prey on insecure, traumatized people.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I dated someone like this once, who had a bad reputation in a shared social circle (and yet I did not know this at the time, because it's a large social group). She acquired me as a trophy (she didn't realize she confessed this to me at one point, but she very much did with some of the things she said and it matched her MO with other people) because my reputation was much, much better than hers and she was trying to shore hers up with that group of people. And one of her shticks was to focus on ways I must be vulnerable or needing help, because me feeling worse or needy helped her feel powerful. It felt invasive and weird and agenda-driven to me. And annoying. Like she was way overblowing anything I went through for her own reasons. There's a term for that but I won't go digging for it right now. It's one step away from Munchausen by proxy (known as "factitious disorder imposed on another (FDIA)" now), though. Fortunately, I am not the type to play up any obstacle in my life—I want to be rid of them all swiftly when they arise—so I wasn't going to lie down and agree I was weaker or more vulnerable than I was. I was not a good target or cooperative prey. So we didn't last long, because I started questioning her bullshit pretty quickly. So of course I got DARVO'ed. She could be Emma's sister.

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you're completely allowed to express your opinions about this! I LOVE your points you made and cannot agree more. I feel sad for Ellen, she's seemed lost for far too long.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries"[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Classic narcissistic smirk / sociopathic gaze

Who wore it better, Scott Peterson or Emma Portner? But yes this is how I felt too when I looked through photo after photo. Actual chills. I was trying to be diplomatic and focus on Ellen not Emma since I don’t otherwise know much about Emma. But I immediately noticed the cold intensity of her stare, her smirk, how Ellen comes across as her satellite in every photo and kind of shrinks around her. Their body language on the red carpet does not make them look like a couple. Compare photos with Ellen and anyone else, like Kate Mara. There’s so much warmth and closeness there. But with Emma, even when they kiss or embrace, Emma’s body is fully turned away from Ellen. It’s even worse than “not that into you.” That’s cold indifference.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep. It frankly makes me wish there was a way to intervene and get her out of there; to me these are photos of a predator and her prey. I know how horrible the abuse these people dish out can be and how ill it can make a person.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

proud

I don't like that wording in the article. It feels to me as though Emma had quite a bit to do with this coming out

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't add this thought to my other comments, but I am really wondering how Emma profits from this, because it couldn't be more obvious that she does. Psychologically, emotionally...financially?

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Completely agree with this analysis. Added some thoughts below.

[–]candiedDagon 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Gosh why doesn’t Page get out of the public eye if she is so uncomfortable and seems to feel so bad? So weird

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because as an actor, your career depends on being in the public eye, especially if you're a woman, and doubly so if you're a woman who is part of some kind of minority.

[–]shveya 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's probably hard to avoid being in the public eye, even when they (celebrities) don't want to be.

[–]Dravidian 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah she's aready thinking about transition in this video. I'm pretty sure. the vagueness. The mention of pain and non representation. No mention of gay or lesbian or sexual orientation.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Fuck this makes me sad. She looks so clearly depressed, tired and really unhealthy. Even when she smiles her eyes are so empty and joyless. What the hell happened to her? I hate to use the word "triggered" but her eyes and expressions actually trigger me a little, bring up sad memories. Does no one see this?

[–]candiedDagon 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup I see it. When she suddenly blurted out something about how there was something she didn’t want to talk about or mention. Uh...

[–]Femaleisnthateful 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I scrolled through her Twitter feed, and it's apparent she's been drinking the Woke koolaid for some time. Lots of retweets of Chase Strangio, criticism of Abigail Shrier and JK Rowling for fabricated wrongdoings. Lots of references to trans rights but nothing about womens or lesbian issues. I think it's plausible that she was groomed by HRC into believing that she needed to present as 'trans'. Otherwise, she would be forced to confront the conflict between trans ideology and same sex attraction. Easier to just call herself 'queer' and sidestep that whole messy thing.

[–]SapphicFox 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

EP looks incredibly unwell here...

[–]distortedlindsLady Muse 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

jeeeeeesus....this is really sad. its very clear she is mentally distraught. barely even cracks a smile with that huge compliment from the intreviewer...the edge-y fun music juxtaposed over her sadness is so eerie..and just...what the fuck?...i think she identifies so much with oppressed people that she latches onto the next 'trendy' oppressed group. in a way, she can be seen as very empathetic. oof, this is tough to watch....lastly, is there anything else more depressing than Radiohead?