DiscussionWhat happens next after the T is dropped?

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[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 42 insightful - 1 fun42 insightful - 0 fun43 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

  1. Predictions: I predict that once the T no longer sees support from anyone, I think a lot of homo/biphobia from other sources will be reduced, as they won't be falsely attributing T qualities to us
  2. Other issues: We will need to continue fighting in countries that still criminalize homosexuality or allow the murder of us to go without justice, but even that will be easier as they will no longer be able to use the T as an excuse to keep killing us. On a lower priority, we will still need to undo non-violent homophobia and ridiculous stereotypes, but that last part will need the cooperation of LGB to stop being the stereotypes.
  3. What will become of us: Hopefully, we'll be able to continue fighting for equal rights where they are needed and undoing generations worth of evil to make a society that accepts us without acting like accepting is us something that they should be celebrated for (making a rainbow T-shirt in June should not make a company seen as better than any other T-shirt company [TBH I think pride month should disappear entirely in places where violent homophobia is not present])
  4. I think we SHOULD stick together, but I can't be sure if that will actually happen. Only once being gay is not treated any differently than if someone enjoyed a different flavor of ice cream should we fully disperse.
  5. A lot of our battles against non T groups will become easier once the T is no longer sabotaging us, which is why we need to cut off the extra weight. Both to make it easier for us to fix the world, and to make sure we don't accidentally contaminate places we meant to liberate with gender identity theory

[–]reluctant_commenter 14 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 4 fun15 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Just wanted to say your flair is fantastic, lol.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks! I tried to make something that didn't include any specialized terminology, since my opinions being all over the place and not following any party to the letter means just about everyone has some reason or another to hate me. Hell, sometimes both sides hate me for thinking a compromise is legitimately the best option, and not just for the sake of compromise.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Your answers were something I was also thinking along the lines of as well.

Was wondering how we can combat the extreme homo/biphobia where you could get killed for being in a same-sex relatuonship---if we would create safe havens perhaps in our country, or would we...end up getting into a fight with their country or how to go about same-sex rights.

Yes, I agree on the LBG part as well---not dispersing until being gay or bi or whatever is seen as normal. Though, we should create our own groups as well tailoured to our own issues in addition to having the LGB group.

Currently, lesbian women have created their own groups because they've been getting a LOT of crap from the TRAs(violence, Doxxing, stalking, invading their spaces, etc). I try to be an ally of their plight---but also stay within my space. Help them fight against the TRAs.

Also, hoping that the "queer" and "pansexuals" people snap out of it and go back to being bisexual. The TRA movement is erasing bisexuality with these disengenuous terms. There was a video I saw about "Take the B out of LGBT+". The creator was saying how the LGBT+ group basically became a big corporate company, and that for bisexual people to feel included, they must now change how they refer to themselves (ex. Queer, pansexual, etc) to fit in.

Just really hoping the TRA movement passes soon, within the next couple of years...

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course! We should band together for issues that impact all of us, but lesbians are best to fight the fetishization of lesbian porn by straight men while gay men are best to fight the stereotype that we're all drag queens. A lot of the issues that impact all of the LGB are international issues, where we should do something to help those in other countries that need to hide from the families, neighbors, and governments. I won't say that all Americans or Western Europeans have it as easy as some of us, but they don't need to show a passport or smuggle themselves to find help.

Maybe we should set up a hacker group to take down homophobic governments?

Or maybe I've been playing Watchdogs too much lately...

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is where I am mentally. And I believe that tolerance not compelled and awkward celebration is the path to normalizing homosexuality and bisexuality. Same sex attraction will always be seen as a little weird because it's the opposite of the norm and has a lot of implications on our lives and the ways we interact with others. We're members of our own sex that have some insight into experiences that are common for other members of the opposite sex to have. We're women/men who know what it's like to be with a woman/man sexually and romantically, so this will always make a little bit "other" but I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that this becomes a variation that is not the norm, but not threatening or destabilizing. I am wary of anyone who pushes the idea that "everyone is a little bit gay." I think we only get true tolerance and ultimate acceptance when we accept that we are not the norm, but that that's OK.

And don't get me started on the idea that "same-sex attraction" is about being open-minded. This is a common narrative these days and a lot of people who push it think they're being helpful and allies, but it's harmful because sexual orientation should not be seen as having anything to do with morality or virtue. As we've seen, we just get it from the other end - being called bigoted for not being attracted to the opposite sex.