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[–]BEB[S] 53 insightful - 41 fun53 insightful - 40 fun54 insightful - 41 fun -  (1 child)

Yes - they should change it to Wokeback Mountain

[–]kunt-vonnegut 28 insightful - 24 fun28 insightful - 23 fun29 insightful - 24 fun -  (0 children)

"Wokeback Mountain!" Lord have mercy on my sides!

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 35 insightful - 24 fun35 insightful - 23 fun36 insightful - 24 fun -  (25 children)

Literally "brokeback" because HRT gives you weak bones, lol

[–]diapason 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

HRT gives you weak bones

Wait, it does? I thought estrogen used to be prescribed to post-menopausal women to try to stave off osteoporosis before they stopped doing that cause of cancer risk

[–]reluctant_commenter 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

edit: Lupron is a puberty blocker, not direct administration of estrogen/testosterone, whoops.

Yep! Or at least Lupron, one specific HRT puberty blocker drug, does: https://khn.org/news/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems/

Osteoporosis in your early 20s. What a time to be alive.

[–]BEB[S] 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Lupron is a puberty blocker. It was created as an advanced prostate cancer drug and is used to castrate sex offenders.

And yet they're giving Lupron to gender-confused kids with the horrible outcomes reluctant_commenter noted above.

HRT (hormone replacement therapy) for transgenders (natal males) shouldn't be referred to as HRT, because AFAIK, transgenders are not replacing hormones - anyone more versed on this who can clear it up?

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Whoops, my bad, thanks for the catch. I need to read more about the distinction between HRT and puberty blockers. I thought puberty blockers were a subset of HRT drugs, but I'll check that first.

I think they are being given hormones though, directly... testosterone for the women, estrogen for the men (trans-identified males). Whether they SHOULD be is another question, but I have certainly seen many people on reddit talking about how they are on estrogen or testosterone.

[–]BEB[S] 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Don't worry - it's all incredibly confusing, which is partly how the gender movement has gotten as far as it has - no one can figure out what they're on about, much less the terminology.

Kids are first given puberty blockers, then almost all of them (around 98% if I remember correctly) go onto to cross-sex hormones. So yes, after the puberty blockers they are put on hormones.

HRT is hormone replacement therapy FOR WOMEN, but transgender natal males aren't replacing hormones they lost through menopause or a medical condition, because they're not women to begin with. Calling the trans natal male hormone regime "replacement therapy" is yet another way trans activists want society to be re-engineered to think of trans natal males as women.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It is "new hormone adding therapy", as they are adding new hormones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy

Seens wiki is still not corrupted, at least the beginning is right.

And as far as I know transes are taking different hormones than women, in different quantities and without changes in hormonal levels, just holding them on one level all the time.

[–]BEB[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think you're right. If there is anyone out there who knows for sure, please weigh in.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know that majority of transwomen are not taking progesterones, for example. Only some are taking, mostly as experimental treatment. Many of transwomen are taking only estrogen and some testosterone blockers. Transsexuals (decades as post-op, hsts) I know are prescribed periodically to take progesterone or testosterone to raise their sexual drive.

In details I don't know, as I never was interested, and still not interested. However, it looks logical that they are not taking progesterones at all - they don't have anything in their body which will be affected with them.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Fun fact: I believe the most common estrogen pill taken by trans women is Premarin, which comes from the urine of pregnant mares (female horses). It is otherwise used by women for relief during menopause.

[–]diapason 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yep. Interestingly enough, Wyeth lost half their sales of Premarin and Prempro (from about $2 billion in 2002 to about $1 billion in 2006) after the WHI report came out showing increased cancer risk from taking HRT for menopause. (Wyeth has since been acquired by Pfizer) Luckily for them, they've found a new customer base who consider it a civil rights issue to be able to take it!

Also fun fact: the name Premarin comes from Pregnant Mares' Urine

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This history is just another tidbit on why I think we are fucked from all ends on the trans issue in the U.S. Pharma will not give up this customer base without a fight. It is also why it makes me want to bang my head into the wall that Bernie, AOC, etc. is so aware of the death grip of Big Pharma, but they are ignorant about it here. Dig deeper, people.

[–]diapason 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think part of it is that most people would agree that, say, getting people hooked on opioids for profit is bad, but the gender transition stuff is presented as being an imperative for people with a debilitating condition, as well as a civil rights issue of nondiscrimination in health care, and most people just kinda shrug at it because they assume it's just an adult making their own personal choice. If it were spelled out in plain terms how they are treating patients as guinnea pigs for experimental surgeries with high risks of complications and little recourse and giving children chemical castration drugs that are already known to be harmful to them and hiding behind "rights" in order to do it, they would lose public support nearly overnight. (I suspect the devout TRAs supporters would take longer to come around, they are so indoctrinated) I think the key is just awareness. When the opioid epidemic whistleblowing came out, the American public was horrified. For this, it's just a matter of time until the public realizes what's going on behind the scenes, and it's gonna take years before the story breaks in the US and the class action lawsuit start rolling in

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    [–]automoderatorHuman-Exclusionary Radical Overlord[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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    [–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

    I have no idea if that's true, but if so, it's probably just that male bodies will react differently to exogenous hormones that their body never produced in that quantity naturally and that their bodies are not supposed to either. Plus men are starting with much greater bone density, so even when their bone density diminishes on estrogen, it's still way greater than women's.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    I think Salty is referring to Lupron, which is indeed associated with bone damage:

    https://khn.org/news/women-fear-drug-they-used-to-halt-puberty-led-to-health-problems/

    Not sure about other specific HRT-related drugs but I'm sure they have other side effects if not this specific one.

    Would like the NYT or a bigger news outlet to get more cover to these stories... the amount of corruption going on is outrageous, with doctors being paid to give Lupron when it causes all these other health problems.

    [–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    IMO, the grip of the pharmaceutical lobby on the U.S. is way too strong (like why are the Republicans and Trump so silent about transing kids? It's everything they warned against with gay rights!). In reality, the pharmaceutical lobby covers both Republicans and Democrats. So IMO, our only hope is to rely on the evidence turned up in the UK's investigations and then use that for a class action in the U.S. I mean theoretically, there could be a class action in the U.S. now if the idea was shopped around to the right firm, but I think it might be too taboo right now. Med mal plaintiffs' attorneys want to position themselves as the good guy champions of the people. They will have to deal with a lot of threats and public scrutiny that they may be painfully aware of and that are holding them back. That's why I think evidence from the UK can be helpful in convincing an American firm to take the case.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    (like why are the Republicans and Trump so silent about transing kids? It's everything they warned against with gay rights!)

    Now THAT is a good question. True colors, I guess. The religious right doesn't actually care about children, it was just an excuse to be a bunch of bigots.

    I am really hopeful about stuff turning around in the U.K. I kind of wonder if the next couple years will be the start of a reckoning. It's so frustrating watching the whole world be asleep to gender ideology while it wreaks havoc on a generation.... but I think 2020 might go down as the year when this shit started to hit the fan, thanks to JKR and that court case.

    If there were a class action lawsuit, would that only be applicable to people who had been through medical interventions/HRT? I am not really versed in law stuff, haha.

    [–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    There can and will be multiple class action lawsuits. Like nothing we've ever seen before. So it's just a matter of which plaintiffs are bringing which lawsuits against which entities/individuals. One of the major hurdles of getting through a class action is establishing that the members of the class are sufficiently similar enough in their interests and the harm they suffered in order to proceed as a class. So I imagine there would be class actions that go after different players, some within the same suit, but different targets include: individual doctors/health care providers/surgeons, pharmaceutical companies, gender clinics, hospitals, pharmacies, school districts, LGBT organizations, maybe even the FDA, possibly health insurance companies, etc.

    It's often a matter of finding the right plaintiffs against the right defendants in the right jurisdiction to get the best chance. But yea I imagine lawsuits against surgeons who perform gender reassignment surgery. They may go after the worst of the worst in terms of quality of surgery first to establish good precedent. There is some abysmal work being performed out there because it brings in $$$ and is not being monitored or scrutinized.

    Class actions are really slow though (like, expect over a decade of this). That's why they tend to settle, and we wouldn't want a settlement before discovery. Oh also, this wouldn't be a class action, but kids suing parents is going to be a thing. We may have to wait a while for this though and I feel so awful for all of the harm that will be suffered by these kids in the meantime and the feelings they will feel as they try to make sense of and salvage their lives. I am waiting to see what happens with Jazz Jennings because even though Jazz is touted as a success story, Jazz's surgeries have been profoundly unsuccessful. Jazz also has the face of a little boy on what appears to be a grown woman's body. How is that going to age? Jazz is still SO young. I really don't think we've seen the depths of Jazz's tragedy.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Class actions are really slow though (like, expect over a decade of this).

    Totally makes sense. But I think even just having the ball rolling will help bring discussion to the media, and perhaps get at least some people to start opening their eyes. I can't wait to see a day where people are ok with LGB and only a minority of people who really need to identify as trans (because of dysphoria). Might need to wait for a lot of the dust to settle, first, though..

    Oh also, this wouldn't be a class action, but kids suing parents is going to be a thing.

    Oh god, absolutely. I haven't heard about Jazz but that sounds extreme.

    Thanks for the run-down! I'll keep those thoughts in mind when reading about any court cases.

    [–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    For LGBs to save face, we will need to be en masse among the first vocal whistleblowers that break through. Otherwise, we are going to get blamed. Honestly, JK Rowling's messaging will be helpful as she positions gay people, especially lesbians, as victims in this.

    [–]BEB[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I have been saying for a few years now that the only people who can stop Trans, Inc. are LGB, and perhaps straight men.

    Trans, Inc., has used LGB as its sword and shield, so well-meaning people are scared to criticize TQ+ actions, so only LBG can push back.

    [–]BEB[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The US media has its eyes open. The Kelsey Coalition, a non-partisan parents group that has since disbanded, talked to all sorts of media, and almost none of the interviews were ever used.

    The US media is bought off by Big Pharma/ the Medical Industrial Complex and T (formerly gay) organizations, plus the billionaires pumping $$$ into Trans, Inc.

    [–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

    [–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well estrogen if you're a woman, yes, but if you go cross sex it appears to cause osteoporosis and there's a ton of complaints from FTMs, because they often get told that if they have a full hysterectomy (including ovary removal) they will develop osteoporosis and similar issues. I think similar goes from MTFs, but from what I've seen, MTFs have all kinds of health issues

    [–][deleted] 30 insightful - 8 fun30 insightful - 7 fun31 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

    when we will be released from this hell

    [–]macaron 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Not soon enough.

    [–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 22 insightful - 10 fun22 insightful - 9 fun23 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

    I just read the title of this post to my husband, his response was "oh god please no don't fuck with a classic..."

    [–]ChodeSandwichtender and moist 17 insightful - 12 fun17 insightful - 11 fun18 insightful - 12 fun -  (1 child)

    If you make enough noises about how trans you are, you too can be told with a straight face that your narcissistic fanfiction saved lives.

    [–]reluctant_commenter 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    If you make enough noises about how trans you are, you too can be told with a straight face that your narcissistic fanfiction saved lives.

    I am still amazed that this isn't even hyperbole...

    [–]blackrainbow 19 insightful - 8 fun19 insightful - 7 fun20 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

    Why not a straight movie remake?

    [–]Eurowoman24 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    we have too many numbers, and too many straight men who would shut it down ;)

    [–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 21 insightful - 2 fun21 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Did they not learn anything from the L Word Generation Q? Does any actual lesbian watch that? Even woke-signaling ones don't like it.

    [–]TovasshiDefinitely a house plant 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Why not try to make an original movie with a unique plot?

    [–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    That takes time and effort. They don't like to do work 'cause they woke.

    [–]Shadow_Lurker 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    We are living in the "creatively bankrupt" era, don't you remember?

    Why try a new franchise if I can fuck with something that's already stabilised and loved by many?

    [–]denverkrisMy pronouns are Vodka?/Yes!/please 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    "it didn't feel like queer cinema"

    Jesus wept, these people. Because it wasn't. It was GAY cinema. They make me want to vomit with their continued use of that fucking word, although it definitely fits them.

    [–]les4leshomonormative 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    i can't believe the gall of them saying it "didn't feel queer" have some respect

    [–]JulienMayfair 14 insightful - 8 fun14 insightful - 7 fun15 insightful - 8 fun -  (4 children)

    So I guess when they have the impromptu sex scene in the tent, the trans-man lead will have to excuse himself to find his strap-on.

    [–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 11 insightful - 9 fun11 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

    Ah, those cowboy sex-shops with strapons in 1800s. Everyone remember those.

    [–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

    LOL the sex scenes XD HOW are they going to pull that off for a table reading? Just sit at the table making weird sex noises while everyone else looks awkward?

    [–]Shadow_Lurker 6 insightful - 7 fun6 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

    uwu very loudly lol

    [–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Fortunately for them and everyone else, it's only a script reading by the trans cast.

    [–][deleted] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    If this isn't erasing homosexuals I don't don't know what it is...

    [–]Femaleisnthateful 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    So 100% transgender is accurately reflective of 'diversity'?

    [–]CheesyPeas 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    This is going to be nothing but a huge flop.

    [–]CleverNickName 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Hey, maybe enough normal people will see it and go "Wait, what? Really? That's what the whole trans-thing is about? Why? How? I'll ask the internet." And then we'll find it and can give them an actual answer inbetween the "just being themselves" and "trans are the most murdered" lies.

    [–]Shadow_Lurker 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Don't forget the uwu dress go spinning uwu twitter types.

    This decade will be known as the great trans peakning by the way things are going.

    [–]DimDroog 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It was about two white cowboys,and none of the actors are white either.

    [–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "A virtual staged reading"

    So a video radio play? Meh. Let them have their kwir adaptation. Maybe they can finally create something truly great and memorable, but I doubt it.