DiscussionBeing associated with radical feminism is dragging this movement down.

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[–][deleted] 46 insightful - 4 fun46 insightful - 3 fun47 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Most gay men I have ever met have their own stuff to worry about and have not spent a lot of time defending lesbians because lesbians have historically been able to keep their own gate until queer theory replaced women’s studies with gender studies. So I don’t think it’s the mean lesbians being mean, because we can differentiate between males enough to tell which ones are assholes. If men want to interpret women having criticisms as “all men are bad” then it’s hard to convince anyone otherwise, and most of us are not super worried about that because women. You’re basically suggesting that getting rid of terfs will help us not be called terfs. Which is not actually true. Most of us are not even terfs, including terfs.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

In the beginning I did notice some of the gc crowd having an “all men attitude” and even outright homophobia implying gay men were all whores lol. I don’t think it was from gc lesbians but the hetero gc who has a strong presence there. They defended lb as fellow women under attack but gb men were still “the patriarchy” it did drive off a few gay men in the beginning.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Thanks for sharing, the context is helpful. What do you think makes sense to do about this? We can't really exclude LGB who are radfem from s/LGBdroptheT (or at least, I think that would be unfair and ridiculous). We could try to be more clear about our rules and that misandry is not allowed.

[–]lairacunda 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

You do realize that there have been radical feminists who have been subscribed to LGBDroptheT from its inception and who have contributed to it significantly. The fact that you want to exclude us is evidence of your discomfort with women batting for their own team.

I would have been impressed if you had proposed making a rule that misogyny isn't allowed as well. I suppose that doesn't bother you (if you even notice it). It sounds like even though you "can't really exclude LGB who are radfem", you sure would like to. Maybe you can start a new sub called GBDroptheT since you've already dropped the L.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

The fact that you want to exclude us is evidence of your discomfort with women batting for their own team.

Did you intend to reply to me, or someone else? I am not for excluding radfems, as I have said not only in this comment, but numerous others in the thread.

do realize that there have been radical feminists who have been subscribed to LGBDroptheT from its inception and who have contributed to it significantly.

I had to inform someone else of this, elsewhere in the thread, and now you are getting angry at me for "not knowing it". I appreciate the irony, lol.

edit: this comment https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/65og/being_associated_with_radical_feminism_is/o0hq

It sounds like even though you "can't really exclude LGB who are radfem", you sure would like to.

You are projecting a lot onto what I am saying. Why are you assuming this?

Maybe you can start a new sub called GBDroptheT since you've already dropped the L.

I am a lesbian, and I post on s/Lesbians. I believe I have seen you over there as well.

Even though I am not GC, I have been trying to convince a few other people in this thread that GC are not hostile, but maybe I should re-think my position...

[–]lairacunda 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

No, I was replying to you. But you may be correct that I did not get the whole picture or got the wrong one. Specifically, "We can't really exclude LGB who are radfem from s/LGBdroptheT" and "... be more clear about our rules ... misandry is not allowed." In my experience, people who talk about misandry are MRAs, misogynists and handmaidens. Maybe you're not but if you use their vocabulary, you're going to get classified. No two ways about it.

[–]reluctant_commenter 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Maybe you're not but if you use their vocabulary, you're going to get classified. No two ways about it.

You can be all "my way or the highway", but if you are, you are going to turn away people who actually agree with you from your movement.

This is exactly why I have felt uncomfortable with GC. I don't think my beliefs are even that different! But if I make even one mistake in phrasing, I am "the enemy" and am somehow on the side of MRAs? You've gotta be kidding me. What if I just am not educated on these topics? You ever consider that?

I have endured misogyny-fueled acts of violence for a good portion of my life. I do not know whatever set of cool vocabulary words you personally use, or that are common among radfems, or GC feminists, or whoever else. Why do I not know them? Because I have not been exposed to them, and I honestly have not yet had the time and energy to learn them.

I hope you learn to consider other people's perspectives and where they are coming from. And I hope you are not representative of the GC community, which I was considering engaging more with but I sure as fuck don't want to now, thanks. No disrespect intended to the other individuals I interacted with who were thoughtful.

edit: Also, you missed half my quote that you were originally responding to-- THIS is what I said:

We can't really exclude LGB who are radfem from s/LGBdroptheT (or at least, I think that would be unfair and ridiculous)

Some other commenters seemed to be suggesting this, and I made it clear in my comment that this would be ridiculous. And yet you chose to jump on the fact that I said the word "misandry" as evidence that I am a radfem-hating or GC-hating MRA ally.

[–]lairacunda 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I did not call you a "handmaiden". I even said "maybe you're not". To clarify, people use words and depending on how they use them and what they say, other people will assume where they are coming from. That's all. This isn't personal. Learn or don't learn, whatever you want.