DiscussionWhy are lesbians more compliant with TRA than gay men?

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[–]julesburm1891 58 insightful - 3 fun58 insightful - 2 fun59 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

  1. Socialization: Women are socialized to be nice and make others comfortable our entire life. It’s not surprising lesbians were initially nice to transwomen.

  2. Reactions to Women Breaking Socialization Norms: Watch how you and everyone else around reacts the next time you see a woman voice frustration with someone. (Hint: it will probably involve her being called a bitch, being called crazy, and/or being mocked. It doesn’t matter if she was totally in line or no one would bat an eye if a guy did the same thing.) A lot of times we will bite our tongues even if we’re furious or sick of something because we don’t want to deal with the fallout.

  3. Harassment/Threats: Tbh, I don’t know what happens after gay guys shut down trans shit online. What often happens after lesbians do it is that we get graphic rape and death threats in our inbox. What always happens is that we’re banned from the sub.

  4. Actual Violence: Trans people love to complain that people misgendering them is literal violence. Women (lesbian or otherwise) who stand up to trans nonsense irl face actual violence. Whether it’s meetings being attacked, spaces being vandalized, or women be assaulted, it’s real and scary. There’s also the risk that we’ll lose our jobs.

  5. Insidious Transwomen: A couple of weeks ago, someone posted a terrorism manifesto (I don’t know what else to call it) from a transwoman obsessed with Vancouver Rape Relief. One of the strategies he encouraged was infiltrating groups. Basically: get one transwoman or one ally into a group’s leadership and use them to get more and more people in leadership roles. Then use this power to kick out the original women the group was for. I absolutely believe this is exactly what happened with AL along with pretty much every other lesbian or LGB space. Change my mind.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 28 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Point number 5 is exactly what happened to AL

[–]Maeven 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I think infiltration has been their MO for everything. And its why they are paranoid about maintaining ideological purity. They're afraid of infiltrators because they know how easy it is and because that hold on power is more tenuous that in looks. They can only maintain power through fanaticism and suppression of people with independent thoughts.

[–]julesburm1891 25 insightful - 2 fun25 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don’t want to sound like a nutcase, but here it goes. I finished reading The Cultural Revolution: A People’s History by Frank Dikötter today and so much felt familiar. I’m not saying that the trans rights movement is equivalent to Maoist China or that our setbacks are equivalent to the horrors the Chinese people went through. I am saying that the radicalization, the denial of facts, the desire to tear down any institution that didn’t reinforce their narrative, the obsession of ideological purity, the witch hunts, the use of violence on dissenters, and the public humiliation of people who fell out of line sounds exactly like the climate of the trans movement.

[–]notdelusionalbased faggot 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are significant overlaps with queer theory and other critical theories. Maoism, marxism, it's all sort of inherited. Look at the BLM stuff, it's no mistake that the trans thing is front and center. Creepy as fuck.

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It sound like islam. That's how cult works.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 17 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So basically like every other cheater, they don't want their own methods used against them.

Seems like strict vetting, webs of known relationships, members sponsoring other members, and forming private clubs are going to be necessary for a while, as non-inclusive as that sounds. We are way past "this is why we can't have nice things" with this going on. Assuming it's set up correctly, it appears that you can't bitch about who gets into a private club. Don't like someone else's? Make your own. Indiscriminate inclusiveness can be exploited (without even trying) and isn't always suitable for that reason.

Time to deploy some firewalls. Really. No means no.

Interesting stuff at these links, but I don't know what tangled webs of laws and precedents any particular group would have to navigate to try to bulletproof themselves, because you know the TRAs would take them straight to court no matter what, since they have to stick their dicks in every place they are not wanted:

  1. https://law.jrank.org/pages/5315/Club-Protecting-Civil-Rights.html

  2. https://www.workforcebulletin.com/2012/03/09/for-private-clubs-a-little-discrimination-in-membership-can-go-a-long-way/

This conversation is one that should have stopped being necessary after the 1950s. But perhaps these methods can bring some semblance of freedom of association back because ultimately, the abuses going on in these videos should qualify as a violation of civil rights, here in the US at least. Nobody is stopping TRAs from going and doing their own thing. They don't have to see every women's space as a scarce resource to be grabbed and absconded with, but since they do, no more access for them. Reconstitute, reconfigure, resurrect.

Wonder how they are when they're guests at someone's house. With this mentality I would assume they arrive and are immediately holding up the owners to transfer title to them. This is very mafia-like in some ways. What's next, demanding protection money to keep their own kind out of women's spaces?

[–]florasisHOMOSEXUAL FEMALE/Pussy is my God and I'm monotheist 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Remind me of islamic cult. The same shit. Incredible

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am ashamed to be Canadian when I see what the NDP is allowing their Vancouver tran to pull. Literally every other women’s shelter lets trans women in, that was the last one and they got defunded by the city