Leaving Reddit for trying erase women.

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[–]takeyourjoyjohn 66 insightful - 2 fun66 insightful - 1 fun67 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

As a woman, I strongly disagree with the transgender shit. Here's my reasoning. (holy shit I can say this without a ban!)

A man wanting to become a woman only wants the beauty of being a woman. He doesn't want the menstrual bullshit.. The roller coaster of emotions, the pain of bearing children.. No he wants to be able to be accepted for wearing dresses and makeup and YASSSSS gurl accent. He wants to perpetuate the female stereotype, all while screaming "ThErES nO gEnDeR!"

Being a woman isn't all grace, beauty, fashion...it's pain, suffering and confusion...its just being human is what I'm getting at. You're not a woman by cutting off your dick or by putting on a dress and being good at blending your makeup. That stuff doesn't make a woman. Those are stereotypes.

Tell me how you feel like a woman? What does that even mean? The only time I'm reminded that I am a woman is when my female organs start yelling at me and stabbing me from within.

By wanting to be the other gender, you're just admitting that gender stereotypes are true for you.

Is this line of thinking sound? I'd like some feedback honestly. Especially from an opposing side so I can discuss it.

[–]Current_Year_Acct 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

It's perfectly sound. That's why you've been banned from reddit. Welcome.

[–]takeyourjoyjohn 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for the warm welcome. I wish this world would allow non-heated debates over sensitive subjects, because then we all might actually learn something from one another and go somewhere with it.

Currently it all feels like a race to find out who's right and who's wrong. But I've always found it interesting to, instead, discuss these kinds of hot button topics with anyone who strongly opposes me, because I believe knowing both sides of the equation can really strengthen your foundation. This strong foundation, in turn, allows you to succeed in getting your point across in future debates and allows you to sound educated.

All I see now are groups staying within their comfort zones of ideas. I've always felt that if there isn't at least one thing about "your side" that you inherently disagree with, you're not being challenged. You're not learning anything. You're not growing. This is my reasoning behind why I love discussing with people who oppose me.

But people hinder you from learning anymore these days because if you disagree with even a tiny mechanism of the larger machine, you're automatically the enemy.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All I see now are groups staying within their comfort zones of ideas. I've always felt that if there isn't at least one thing about "your side" that you inherently disagree with, you're not being challenged. You're not learning anything. You're not growing. This is my reasoning behind why I love discussing with people who oppose me.

Beyond that, censorship keeps loads of very pertinent questions and facts out of the discourse almost entirely.

Like you, I love arguing with people who hold different opinions. I've been doing it since the Usenet days. If you want to ensure the foundations of your belief system are sound - expose it to scrutiny, and examine opposing opinions and contradicting evidence without egotism. It's hard to do, but worth the effort - and definitely fun with the right mindset.

[–]SaidOverRed 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You have pointed out the obvious contradiction that millions of others have. You can't change into something (another gender) if it doesn't exist (gender itself). Keep looking and you will find the exact same kinds of contradictions all over leftist dogma. That's why the honest ones just say 'screw it' and run a race to the bottom to starve/murder any who resist anything Leftism happens to be pushing for. 20th century history was a sad story. But don't worry; once all the 19th century statues are gone they can start covering up the gulags too...

[–]Anonimouse 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think that might be why the discourse went from "gender and sex are different, trans males identify as women" to "sex is a spectrum, barely exists, gender is everything and trans women = female"

[–]Whoscapes 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A man wanting to become a woman only wants the beauty of being a woman.

I'd sharpen this point to instead be something like: "A man who wants to be treated as a woman can never experience the physical, bodily reality of being a woman - only the superficial".

But look, the whole thing is frankly besides the point. There are women who feel the way you do and you deserve a space to talk with one another in a fashion you see fit. It's freedom of association and freedom of speech. You are denied the former in many legal contexts and the latter on many social media platforms.

I don't consider myself a feminist for a few reasons but fuck people who want to stop you from having conversations.

[–]takeyourjoyjohn 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I really appreciate your input. Conversations like these allow me to grow as an individual and see other perspectives.

And you're right, it's becoming increasingly difficult to find a platform to discuss "harsh" opinions without a witch hunt ensuing. So nowadays I always feel obligated to thank someone with whom I've had a rational discussion with.

[–]Whoscapes 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks and I feel the same way. I love reading all kinds of ideological books and ideas because it helps me figure out what I think by seeing what I oppose. Even with GC stuff as a dude I would sometimes flick through the sub to know the terminology just because I find it interesting - if it matters to other people then it probably has something worth at least glancing over.

I have two older sisters who I love dearly so I always found it a bit stinging seeing unfairly negative sentiment towards guys on fem subs but I get it's mostly blowing off steam or the consequence of bad experiences. Lord knows there are male spaces which do it as bad and worse, especially in pornographic context which is just disturbing.

[–]copenseethe 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

They do not understand that a big part of feeling like a woman is fearing male violence. Every woman over the age of 20 has experienced some form of physical assault by a man. We don't cruise through the world in a body that is as strong as a man's. We know that in a contest of strength we will not prevail and we order our lives accordingly.

[–]Diddle 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

By wanting to be the other gender, you're just admitting that gender stereotypes are true for you.

I've always held that belief. That's why I think the divide between "gender" and "sex" was a subversion of norms. It was an excuse to blur the lines of sex. There's nothing wrong with liking different gendered topics or even presenting yourself as a man or a woman, but it doesn't mean you are. Its a part of you, no matter what you believe or deny. Same with your height, age, race, ect. I have plenty of problems with the sun as a ginger, but it doesn't mean I won't get burned going outside if I identified as black.

It feels like an emperor's new clothes situation on a societal level.

[–]AntiLowEffortHuman 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Once upon a time, this would have made a good post for murderedbywords. Before they murdered themselves, that is. Awesome write up, I agree with every point.

[–]apoliticalinactivist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think you're conflating trans people with drag queens & cross dressers, but your broader reasoning is why there is strong distinction between sex and gender in the trans community.

Trans people know they aren't ever going to be biologically the same, but it's not about the sex, it's about the gender and feeling a certain way. Yes, they present themselves as a collection of traits which you may call stereotypes, but how is that different from any other human? We choose how we act and express ourselves. Your femininity is expressed one way and their vision of femininity is another, but just like how you wouldn't hate or condemn a goth/hysterictomy'd/childfree/etc woman for expressing their femininity their way, why not let trans people do the same? Them being who they are doesn't really affect biological women any more than any other subset of women would.

Also like other subgroup, there are attention seekers drawn to the label and go overboard with the pronouns, etc., but just ignore them as you would any other attention seeker.

[–]King_Brutus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can get behind this. I do think that gender dysphoria is a mental illness (not in a derogatory way) but that it deserves professional treatment and therapy, and that the ACTUAL number of people who should transition should be incredibly rare because it's so often regretted and is more of a trend now because someone said "I wish I had boobs" once or felt feminine for a month.

I don't think it's unreasonable though for diagnosed gender dysphorics who go through a transition should be respected as humans though, but I also don't think it's unfair to say that they aren't actually women and that shouldn't be treated as hate speech.

[–]Delia 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with everything you wrote.

[–]NiceDickBro 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not a woman but beautifully well said.

[–]Haunter 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It's all about the pickle jar, baby. On days when you can open the pickle jar, you're a man. On days when you can't, you're a woman. Gametes got nothing to do with it.

[–]takeyourjoyjohn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What about pickled cauliflower jars? I'm really good at opening those. Fuck. Am I a man?

[–]SaltyTexan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Girl we are both here for the same damn reasons. I got banned for posting a link to the NY Times article about the 50 year old Canadian man who was allowed to not only compete with 13-16 year old girls, but was allowed to shower and change with them as well.

Reddit mods have lost their ever loving minds, because that was apparently hate speech. They protect pedophiles while they shit all over women, it's absolutely absurd. I left and I am not going back.