S. Korea aims to foster 1,000 hydrogen-related firms by 2040 by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Big oil and governments foaming at the mouth, trying to scramble centralized energy production somehow...If they could they'd block out the Sun for all of us so that we can't tap limitless and free energy God left for us.

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't need to know much about a particular problem when I'm an intuitive, educated person. My general guess is usually enough.

As far as you are concerned;

WIKI:

Recycling processes today recover approximately 25% to 96% of the materials of a lithium-ion battery cell, depending on the separation technology.[7][8] In order to achieve this goal, several steps are combined into complex process chains, especially considering the task to recover high rates of valuable materials with regard to involved safety issues.[9][10]

Lithion Recycling has developed an efficient & cost-effective process for recycling lithium-ion batteries, the most widely used batteries for electrical vehicles & portable electronics today. This new process will allow up to 95% of these batteries components to be recovered & treated so that they can be reused by battery manufacturers—a concrete way to close the loop of battery life-cycle. The technology put forward by Lithion Recycling uses an innovative combination of processes, based on hydrometallurgy. The result is a size and chemistry agnostic process emitting very low GHG emissions.

And I don't understand what do you mean by "supply houses with backup power"...But I sense confusion in that one as well lol

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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First of all, no need to be rude

Pointing out that it is silly for you to imagine that you know anything about H2 rail in the UK is not rude, it's truth.

You've been schooled, lol, i'm sorry

In your imagination, again. And yeah, you are a bit sorry. What is it with these arrogant battery lovers.

Since recycling of Li-Ion batteries is not cost effective in 2020, what do you propose to do with mountains of dead battery packs? Every battery made today will die one day. And before you say they will supply homes with backup power, better call your insurance company.

I wouldn't presume to say "you were schooled". Have fun.

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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First of all, no need to be rude, but then again, you're probably quite insecure about all these posts on your profile about hydrogen... Read the following, but please have a seat first because I don't want you fainting or panicking after you realize who's the ignorant one here.

Which is a better source of energy and why, solar or hydrogen? Solar energy is abundant (with caveats) and hydrogen is almost non-existent as free hydrogen. As a means of creating storing and distributing energy for cars, electricity produced by solar PV and stored in batteries beats the “hydrogen economy” by more than two times. Let me explain; The round-trip efficiency of the process electricity-to-hydrogen-to-electricity is around 40%. Less if your vehicle uses a combustion engine, down to 25%. Compared with the same round trip for electricity-to-batteries-to-electricity at 85%. That means your vehicle needs more than twice the input energy using hydrogen compared to batteries. The “hydrogen economy” seemed like a good idea 20 or 30 years ago. But battery technology overtook hydrogen and now it is simply a niche product. It will remain that way until someone comes up with new materials and processes that make hydrogen cheaper. And even then, (IF it happens) the world will take at least 10 years to transition. Using hydrogen created by renewable energy sounds great until you work the details. You can’t put (much) hydrogen into existing pipelines. Hydrogen creates problems with both hydrogen embrittlement and corrosion, which means it requires special materials for pipes and valves. The problem is compounded because hydrogen can easily migrate into the crystal structure of most metals. And hydrogen just isn’t easy, or cheap, to make. It burns cleaner than fossil fuels, but that is hardly a high bar.

Now, that's just the basics. As far as the video you've posted, it seems that indeed English railways is abt 60% powered by diesel. My bad to presume that the oldest railway nation is also one of the advanced railway nations these days. (still not an excuse to be impolite really). Why in the hell would they want to use electricity to manufacture hydrogen, to manufacture electricity again when solar is making such GIANT leaps lately with both batteries and solar cells...It couldn't be that the oligarchs in UK are worried about the decentralization of their power, literally?!

You've been schooled, lol, i'm sorry

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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so that means again they are exchanging electric engines with internal combustion ones for the railway? How silly

Not ICE. How silly to imagine that you know anything about what's going on WRT H2 trains in the UK, yet have an arrogant attitude about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cekj2DiHPH8

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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so that means again they are exchanging electric engines with internal combustion ones for the railway? How silly

Brussels hitches industrial hopes to hydrogen. The European Commission wants to fund a world-dominating hydrogen market, according to a draft strategy seen by POLITICO. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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They are in panic mode over solar decentralization coming fast

Brussels hitches industrial hopes to hydrogen. The European Commission wants to fund a world-dominating hydrogen market, according to a draft strategy seen by POLITICO. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Cheap and dirty, gray hydrogen can be made by stripping natural gas at €1 per kilogram. Capturing the escaping CO2 to lower emissions, which makes so-called blue hydrogen, ups the cost to €1.50 to €2 per kilogram. Green hydrogen, made from renewable electricity and zero emissions, can cost up to €5 per kilogram.

“The main booster has to be a significant increase in volumes to bring down the price … to a range of €1-€2 per kilogram as quickly as possible,” the draft states. “Time to lay the foundations for this rapid acceleration and industrial leadership is now.”

Production targets would be set for the desired amounts of green, blue and gray hydrogen for 2030, 2040 and 2050.

In the short term, the Commission proposal suggests paying producers of gray hydrogen to go blue by implementing carbon capture technologies.

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I would love to see hybrid options. I know that the Aptera meant for some models to have fuel generators for long distance, and rather than driving the car, the provided electricity. Man I wish they'd become a thing. I suspect they were intentionally mismanaged and driven into the ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_Motors

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Aptera

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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They are not really Graphene batteries per se , but Graphene is gonna be used as coating on X-ion batteries as well as maybe some other elements too to improve efficiency, speed of charging and durability, dramatically. :) Hydrogen would have been nice to have in cars 20 some years ago, now the cat is out of the bag with Tesla mainly.

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Good video. I love Cold Fusion.

I'm with Chop_Chop and have been saying for decades hydrogen could easily swap out our other fuel paradigm, which to be honest I'm not a fan of centralized fuel and our dependence on Big Oil. Doesn't mean we couldn't generate our own hydrogen though - like how we made bio-diesel in our Oakland warehouse in 2005.

Further, to generate the hydrogen you could burn all the fossil fuels, plus trash, etc in a central place and scrub it all to heck more efficiently in order to get all the potential pollution than what would have been decentralized by the millions of vehicles using it.

On the other hand I'm excited for graphene batteries.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=graphene+batteries

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADS742xsoTw Plus, there's constant research for new tech upgrading Li-ion, or some completely different storage.

I've seen videos of physicists working with h2 in labs say its the most dangerous gas ever as far as instability and the magnitude of damage that it could result in.

How sure are you in your claims?

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I think fully electric, solar rechargeable is gonna take over in 10 years. Hydrogen is too heavy to store and dangerous.

Any idea what to do with mountains of dead batteries? It is not cost effective to recycle Li-ion batteries in 2020. Also figure in the cost to replace them. Hydrogen is not heavy to store compared to batteries. When you pass a propane truck or a propane gas company with 1,000 gallon tanks do you think Propane is dangerous? Hydrogen is safer than propane.

H2 is a much better storage method than Li-ion. The cause of the explosion below has not been identified yet, over a year later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gENQYrlFfPs

Battery Bus Joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jV7AweTDKs

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I think fully electric, solar rechargeable is gonna take over in 10 years. Hydrogen is too heavy to store and dangerous.

Hyundai Motor Group @HMGnewsroom: Hyundai is committed to changing the world, beyond cars, with its fuel cell system #FuelCell #FCEV #CleanMobility (ships, buses, drones, forklifts, trains, emergency power) "First Mover of a New Hydrogen Society" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Claire Johnson @clairej_H2: Well done @Hyundai_Global on demonstrating the flexibility of multi-use fuel cell systems - ships, buses, drones, forklifts, trains, emergency power - all are ripe for mainstream fuel cell application. https://twitter.com/clairej_H2/status/1253153986074382336?s=20

California Hydrogen @CAHydrogen: In California, as of June 2019, 39% of hydrogen in transportation is #renewable, according to @AirResources "2019 Annual Evaluation of Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle Deployment & Hydrogen Fuel Station Network Development". by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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California Hydrogen: "Since that time, some station operators have secured new hydrogen feedstock sources that will provide 100 percent renewable hydrogen." Going green with #hydrogen is very possible, especially when supported by the right policy framework. https://twitter.com/CAHydrogen/status/1253740761490874369?s=20

Is this the emission-free, diesel-free horsebox of the future? by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I'd love one of those "horseboxes" converted into an RV.

Granted I'd need some money to buy it, and the hydrogen, and maps of hydrogen stations, etc.

BMW Group reaffirms commitment to hydrogen fuel cell technology. Cooperation with Toyota Motor Corporation continues. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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But but oil price dropping!

Europe's Largest Economy Is Betting Big On Hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Interesting on using/modifying the existing gas infastructure to move hydrogen. If that goes smooth then it will be easy to expand to any market where there is gas setup.

The REAL cost of ownership! The TRUE range of Tesla Model 3 in the winter! by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, this kid is the next Bobby Lee. He needs to work on his Engrish tho

The REAL cost of ownership! The TRUE range of Tesla Model 3 in the winter! by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Toyota Hydrogen Electric FC Mirai in -20C

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXr2kCl8h1E

The fuel of the 2020s? Why hydrogen could clean up Britain's transport network this decade by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Bill Gates 'not buying our hydrogen yacht'. Billionaire Bill Gates has not commissioned a hydrogen-powered superyacht from designer Sinot, the firm has told the BBC. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Yeah. He's not buying my canoe either. What a dick!

Bill Gates 'not buying our hydrogen yacht'. Billionaire Bill Gates has not commissioned a hydrogen-powered superyacht from designer Sinot, the firm has told the BBC. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Zoe Kleinman @zsk: The yacht designer firm said I am the only journalist who has contacted them to ask whether this viral story was true.
https://twitter.com/zsk/status/1226857259747151883

LOL@ToryGraph

Zoe Kleinman: Haha. How hard.can it be?

https://twitter.com/zsk/status/1226878284463562752

Susannah Streeter @BBCStreeter

In our latest podcast I find out how @zsk uncovered the curious case of Bill Gates and the hydrogen super yacht he hasn’t ordered and talk about how the Coronavirus crisis is leading to a surge in teleconferencing and ponder the pitfalls that could bring.

https://twitter.com/BBCStreeter/status/1226959461501284352

https://audioboom.com/posts/7500803-backspace-and-beyond

Ballard Power: By 2030, it will be less expensive to run a fuelcell vehicle than a battery or diesel vehicle. To learn more, download our newest report, co-authored by Ballard and Deloitte China by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Chop_chop, I am gonna put my whole portfolio into hydrogen if you promise to keep posting about it.

Wouldn't some commission be appropriate?

Edit to add /s because it might be necessary

Ballard Power: By 2030, it will be less expensive to run a fuelcell vehicle than a battery or diesel vehicle. To learn more, download our newest report, co-authored by Ballard and Deloitte China by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Chop_chop, I am gonna put my whole portfolio into hydrogen if you promise to keep posting about it.

Researchers discuss natural hydrogen at deep decarbonization symposium at the Ohio State University. "This topic is gaining interest as more researchers & companies are looking to geologic sources of this gas as a potential solution to meet increasing demands for clean energy." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Earth's Surprising Hydrogen Reserves

Extraordinary discovery of Large-Scale Hydrogen Underground deposit

Underground hydrogen deposits uncovered at 100m depth

The publication that we are proposing is the abstract of an inquiry we carried out following some hypotheses, later confirmed, about the probability that there could widespread and large deposits of natural hydrogen at low depth. The research of which we shall only provide some well-known and published references, overturns the concepts and notions on the plausibility of extracting hydrogen from the subsoil, just as it happens for petroleum and natural gas extraction. The scientific literature only mentions this hypothesis for circumstances of peculiar geological conditions and great depths....more https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/earths-surprising-hydrogen-reserves-rené-burri

Researchers discuss natural hydrogen at deep decarbonization symposium at the Ohio State University. "This topic is gaining interest as more researchers & companies are looking to geologic sources of this gas as a potential solution to meet increasing demands for clean energy." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It sounds like fracking, but I am not a geologist. But they are talking about a blend with natural gas, which is still tying hydrogen to a practice which needs to stop.

Researchers discuss natural hydrogen at deep decarbonization symposium at the Ohio State University. "This topic is gaining interest as more researchers & companies are looking to geologic sources of this gas as a potential solution to meet increasing demands for clean energy." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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this kind of fracking is better than the current fracking?

They are not talking about fracking, these are natural hydrogen sources

Researchers discuss natural hydrogen at deep decarbonization symposium at the Ohio State University. "This topic is gaining interest as more researchers & companies are looking to geologic sources of this gas as a potential solution to meet increasing demands for clean energy." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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need I go on?

Not really. Seems you know nothing about today's Hydrogen industry.

Zero-carbon hydrogen injected into gas grid for first time in groundbreaking UK trial. "The 20% H2 & natural gas blend is being used to heat 100 homes & 30 faculty buildings at Keele University in Staffordshire. Unlike natural gas, when H2 is burned it produces heat & water as opposed to C02." LINK

Researchers discuss natural hydrogen at deep decarbonization symposium at the Ohio State University. "This topic is gaining interest as more researchers & companies are looking to geologic sources of this gas as a potential solution to meet increasing demands for clean energy." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup, a bogus way to continue fracking, which is bad every which way. Let's make hydrogen a different way, 'kay? In this context carbon is a red herring. There are plentiful other terrible effects of fracking, including wasting MASSIVE amounts of water, then polluting the water table, causing earthquakes, ruining communities and property values, fucking with nature--need I go on?

Researchers discuss natural hydrogen at deep decarbonization symposium at the Ohio State University. "This topic is gaining interest as more researchers & companies are looking to geologic sources of this gas as a potential solution to meet increasing demands for clean energy." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Zero-carbon hydrogen injected into gas grid for first time in groundbreaking UK trial. "The 20% H2 & natural gas blend is being used to heat 100 homes & 30 faculty buildings at Keele University in Staffordshire. Unlike natural gas, when H2 is burned it produces heat & water as opposed to C02." LINK

Researchers discuss natural hydrogen at deep decarbonization symposium at the Ohio State University. "This topic is gaining interest as more researchers & companies are looking to geologic sources of this gas as a potential solution to meet increasing demands for clean energy." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]FormosaOolong 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, but this article shows the true colors of why it's being pushed over solar or bladeless rooftop turbines. They want control and ownership, and for incomprehensible reasons, to disrupt communities and the earth. Maybe this is a way they see to repurpose their oil and gas fracking companies once they've extracted the last of that.

Researchers discuss natural hydrogen at deep decarbonization symposium at the Ohio State University. "This topic is gaining interest as more researchers & companies are looking to geologic sources of this gas as a potential solution to meet increasing demands for clean energy." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Hydrogen is the definition of decentralized energy- anyone with water and electricity can make it. No more monopolies, no tankers, no Petrodollar, no refineries. China, Korea and Japan get it. North Americans can watch.

Researchers discuss natural hydrogen at deep decarbonization symposium at the Ohio State University. "This topic is gaining interest as more researchers & companies are looking to geologic sources of this gas as a potential solution to meet increasing demands for clean energy." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Aaaand, there it is, the reason I was suspicious of the hydrogen push. New ways to destroy the earth, and centralize the process. God forbid we have actual clean energy with energy independence.

Hydrogen Cost to Fall Sharply and Sooner than Expected. Up to 50% cost reduction appears achievable within this decade as scale up accelerates. | The Hydrogen Council by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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PATH TO HYDROGEN COMPETITIVENESS: A COST PERSPECTIVE January 20, 2020

This latest Hydrogen Council report shows that the cost of hydrogen solutions will fall sharply within the next decade – and sooner than previously expected.

https://hydrogencouncil.com/en/path-to-hydrogen-competitiveness-a-cost-perspective/

Full Report (PDF) https://hydrogencouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Path-to-Hydrogen-Competitiveness_Full-Study-1.pdf

How can hydrogen be the fuel of the future? Fulbright inaugural lecture with Professor David Blekhman | Chalmers University of Technology by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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How can hydrogen be the fuel of the future?

"We are standing in the doorway of a transportation revolution with the advent of electrified and autonomous vehicles. This is speaking from the point of view of a Los Angeles resident where both air quality and congestion are major factors”. Professor David Blekhman is an expert in the field of hydrogen infrastructure and has been selected as a Fulbright Distinguished Chair of Alternative Energy Technology. On the Sustainability Day, November 8, he gives his inaugural lecture.​https://www.chalmers.se/en/areas-of-advance/energy/news/Pages/Fulbright-inaugural-lecture---How-can-hydrogen-be-the-fuel-of-the-future.aspx

Green machine: How hydrogen is powering the right bus for the planet by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I met a guy

Do you think it's a good idea to form your opinion of H2 based on the statements from one "guy"? Why not read the just released Australian National Hydrogen Strategy - authored in part by Australia's Chief Scientist Dr. Alan Finkel (136 page PDF 22 NOV 2019)

https://www.industry.gov.au/data-and-publications/australias-national-hydrogen-strategy

He said "It takes large fossil-fuel powered factories produce the hydrogen."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJhm6S3Gs1Q

LA TIMES: California invested heavily in solar power. Now there's so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it

Not since the height of the "Drug War" has there been so many misconceptions and outright lies told about something so important.

Green machine: How hydrogen is powering the right bus for the planet by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I met a guy who works with large passenger/vehicle ferries for my area. (Probably more than 100+ hours of ferry traffic per day) He was recently in a meeting that decided the future of power choice for the next generation of ferries. He told me it was looking good that the choice would be hydrogen.

I asked "Where do we get the hydrogen for that many ferries?"

He said "It takes large fossil-fuel powered factories produce the hydrogen."

Corporatism and bureaucratic deals win again.

Toyota really believes hydrogen fuel cells are the future: Here’s why by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I prefer cheap diesel

US hydrogen train contract awarded by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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It would be so nice if the train system in tha USA would expand. Travelling around the USA by train - currently limited and not convenient. Hope this news signals a move in the right direction.

Cow power: Toyota’s new car can run on hydrogen from Irish manure by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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  • People refuse to pack smelly manure into their car to "refuel"
  • Businesses pop up to refuel for you - extra money.
  • Manufacterers come up with a way to package manure into cleaner-to-handle "refuel cells" so people can put it in themselves without feeling gross - extra money.

CaetanoBus launches FC bus with Toyota system. The hydrogen bus H2.City Gold will start production in middle of 2020. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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when is the "genius" of the subsaharan-cannibal and the ovulating female, who are displacing caucAsian/Asian males from the industries they created going to produce a superior product?!.

Can hydrogen fuel unlock Scotland's future energy potential? Scotland is leading the way with gas touted as cleaner alternative to petrol and diesel by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Watch the climate change again back to freezing cold i will laugh my ass off at these climate laws

Meet the CEO who's building 14K hydrogen semitrucks. "It's also starting to build a network of 700 hydrogen stations across the country to refuel its new fleet. Company executives say the network should be complete by 2028." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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From what I understand, Tesla's electric semis are a big flop because of weight limits and how much the batteries weigh. So maybe this is a great fit.

Switzerland: Ground-Breaking Ceremony for the First Agrola Hydrogen Filling Station Held in Zofingen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Don't think so. I'll bet someone somewhere is drawing up plans for one though.

Switzerland: Ground-Breaking Ceremony for the First Agrola Hydrogen Filling Station Held in Zofingen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Is that a hydrogen powered backhoe in the background?

Is it time to buy a fuel cell car? You may not see one pull alongside you any time soon, but they're far from dead. "Toyota is launching the second-gen Mirai in a couple of years, moving it from a limited production car to full mass production with much lower cost to assemble" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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The US is broke. Also, bankrupt- morally, spiritually and fiscally BK. What does it even stand for anymore? Liberty? ROFL tell that to the people that have to live under drones. Wesley Clark spilled the beans years ago and still the wars continue. Tulsi Gabbard says $4 billion / mo spent on Afghanistan. What a disgrace. edit: 4 billion not 400

Is it time to buy a fuel cell car? You may not see one pull alongside you any time soon, but they're far from dead. "Toyota is launching the second-gen Mirai in a couple of years, moving it from a limited production car to full mass production with much lower cost to assemble" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

True. But they never had half of global wealth.

They also had borders with other Empires.

The US controls the entirety of both coastal oceans. And had naval military bases strategically located attend the world.

There has only been a single unipolar hegemon.

It has incomparable economic, strategic, and geographical advantages.

There has never been an empire a powerful as the US in recorded human history.

Edit: This isn't to say that the US empire will last forever. However, comparable empires do not exist.

Is it time to buy a fuel cell car? You may not see one pull alongside you any time soon, but they're far from dead. "Toyota is launching the second-gen Mirai in a couple of years, moving it from a limited production car to full mass production with much lower cost to assemble" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Source is their housing and construction bubble, combined with the economy which demands 10% growth that is unsustainable. Their economy cannot self sustain, so they're chained to the US economy.

China has an aging population, and a much smaller youth population to care for the elderly.

There US has the advantage of being the world reserve currency, and it's estimated that the combination of the us government and US corporations in half of the world's wealth.

I also pity the US for it's wars fought for Israel, cause Israel can't fight them themselves.

Is it time to buy a fuel cell car? You may not see one pull alongside you any time soon, but they're far from dead. "Toyota is launching the second-gen Mirai in a couple of years, moving it from a limited production car to full mass production with much lower cost to assemble" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I do feel sorry for China.

You shouldn't. They have not wasted trillions of dollars on useless wars over the last 20 years. Among other accomplishments, they have built the largest high speed rail network in the world in the time that the US has been in Afghanistan. That's trainsets, track, stations. The US has been -somehow- entangled in Syria, Ukraine and more.

They have been fooled into the economic enslavement of their people, who are on the verge of revolt.

Source?

Air Liquide Group: How about you? How would you describe the hydrogen society? by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I'd described them as naive.

Is it time to buy a fuel cell car? You may not see one pull alongside you any time soon, but they're far from dead. "Toyota is launching the second-gen Mirai in a couple of years, moving it from a limited production car to full mass production with much lower cost to assemble" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do feel sorry for China.

  • They were fooled into the one child policy.
  • They are fooled by the climate change hoax.
  • They are fooled into thinking they have no oil resources (even though nearly every major land mass and sea region on the planet had their own oil, they simply haven't drilled deep enough). Or they were smart enough to leave it there and not risk invasion by the oiligarchs..
  • They have been fooled into the economic enslavement of their people, who are on the verge of revolt.
  • They have been fooled into domestic spying on their people, so the Western Intel agencies can spy on them.

Even so, I admire China's methods of global diplomacy, in contrast to the US mode of hegemony.

Is it time to buy a fuel cell car? You may not see one pull alongside you any time soon, but they're far from dead. "Toyota is launching the second-gen Mirai in a couple of years, moving it from a limited production car to full mass production with much lower cost to assemble" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't get one. Man made climate change is a hoax.

Fossil fuels demonstrably do not come from fossils.

Hydrogen fuel is less efficient than most energy sources.

Sorry bro...

Is it time to buy a fuel cell car? You may not see one pull alongside you any time soon, but they're far from dead. "Toyota is launching the second-gen Mirai in a couple of years, moving it from a limited production car to full mass production with much lower cost to assemble" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I don't have a car. Checkmate environmentalists.

Lots of people don't have cars. Thanks for sharing.

Maybe you should have 10 kids and buy a van? Surely that is green, lmao.

Hydrogen is about much more than just "green". Jobs and energy self-sufficiency. No more wars for oil. China will demonstrate how it's done. Checkmate, skeptics.

Is it time to buy a fuel cell car? You may not see one pull alongside you any time soon, but they're far from dead. "Toyota is launching the second-gen Mirai in a couple of years, moving it from a limited production car to full mass production with much lower cost to assemble" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I don't have a car. Checkmate environmentalists. Maybe you should have 10 kids and buy a van? Surely that is green, lmao.

Hydrogen goes from 'fool cells' to forklifts. It's here by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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i wander when we gonne see Scooters on Hydrogen...and Cars+Motorbikes, but i drive scooter

A request to Chop_Chop for a Hydrogen TL;DR by FormosaOolong in Hydrogen

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Thank you so much Chop_Chop! I appreciate your taking the time to reply and post a resource. I look forward to reading it.

A request to Chop_Chop for a Hydrogen TL;DR by FormosaOolong in Hydrogen

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I admit I have not researched hydrogen in depth, and so I remain confused (and disturbed) by the need for water to make hydrogen

There are 22 litres of Hydrogen in ONE TABLESPOON of water. The earth is 2/3 water so there is no danger of running out. Desalination is expensive now but with renewables the cost will come down (see the middle east solar desalination projects)

Can you give us a summary of why hydrogen is a good choice for our energy needs?

Probably the best summary of global hydrogen projects is this PDF from Australia

Advancing Hydrogen: Learning from 19 plans to advance hydrogen from across the globe. This work is funded by the Future Fuels CRC, supported through the Australian Governments’ Cooperative Research Centres Program. 125 page PDF JULY 2019
https://www.futurefuelscrc.com/files/download/450181d39712b07

Sorry for the late reply, busy with other stuff, and missed the post until today

Belgian shipping giant Compagnie Maritime Belge (CMB) pushes ahead with hydrogen combustion projects by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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nice- goed zo kaaskoppen- now only make me a scooter from Hydrogen....for cheap money please Mr Vattelfall https://www.nuon.nl/service/e-scooter/

Off the grid: Hopewell, New Jersey man runs home without using electricity by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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He's managed to make it work since 2005 but he says he's been the victim of attempted poisoning. One of the great US Hydrogen Pioneers for sure! Some worthwhile videos on his website http://hydrogenhouseproject.org

Off the grid: Hopewell, New Jersey man runs home without using electricity by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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How long before this amazing man gets statute-ed, fined, and zoned right out of his home?

(I truly hope not, but that's the world right now.)

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

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But I've come to expect it from the likes of you.

More projection, and confirmation that you put me into a box because I didn't respond to your false claims of 'green' based on 3% renewable power to crack water.

You need to brush up on today's hydrogen industry.

Avoiding the issue again. It is patently obvious that I am informed about today hydrogen industry. But for some reason you refuse to address the reality of the power input required.

So I'm going to call you out again, as a liar. What you going to do?

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

[–]Chop_Chop 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which makes you a liar.

It's unfortunate that you have resorted to this. But I've come to expect it from the likes of you.

You also need to brush up on the 'logical fallacy' crib sheet.

You need to brush up on today's hydrogen industry. And I don't really care what you think about it. Directly insult me again and watch what happens. Now don't you have anything better to do?

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You are obviously informed, yet you still tout H2 as green and clean. Which makes you a liar. At best it is neutral.

You also need to brush up on the 'logical fallacy' crib sheet. Your responses carry zero weight. You don't address the points even slightly, just make calls to authority and ad hominem.

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

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You don't seem to be able to disentangle H2 and 'green' in your mind. You will forever be foolish if you can't separate the two and understand the true role of H2.

Rubbish, piled on rubbish. I'm pretty sure I understand the "true" role of H2 after studying the industry for the last 5 years.

Do you think you can crack enough water to provide H2 to power electricity gen to match a doubled grid when the solar and wind goes down? Because that means you now need to have 2.5 - 3x the peak supply that we currently have.], plus H2 powered generating infrastructure that sits idle most of the time.

All of this and more has been studied by actual professionals, which it seems you are completely unfamiliar with

International Energy Agency: The Future of Hydrogen -Seizing today’s opportunities 203 pg study, 6/2019
https://webstore.iea.org/the-future-of-hydrogen
(Free reg required for download)

At the request of the government of Japan under its G20 presidency, the International Energy Agency (IEA) has produced this landmark report to analyse the current state of play for hydrogen and to offer guidance on its future development.

The report finds that clean hydrogen is currently enjoying unprecedented political and business momentum, with the number of policies and projects around the world expanding rapidly. It concludes that now is the time to scale up technologies and bring down costs to allow hydrogen to become widely used. The pragmatic and actionable recommendations to governments and industry that are provided will make it possible to take full advantage of this increasing momentum.

Given a choice between an anonymous poster on the internet and IEA professionals, I'm going with the pros.

Think whatever you want about H2 and Renewable energy. Won't make even a tiny tiny difference to the Leaders in this sector- China, Japan, Korea and soon Australia

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

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I'm not confused at all.

The 3% figure comes from the very article you posted. The numbers on NZ's grid requirements if we ditched diesel and petrol come from government figures.

H2 is simply a store of potential energy, and requires energy to create. its a lossy process so inherently less efficient than burning pre-potentialised octane, but still heaps better than batteries.

You don't seem to be able to disentangle H2 and 'green' in your mind. You will forever be foolish if you can't separate the two and understand the true role of H2.

Doubling the electrickery requirements of a nation's energy supply is an immense task. replacing with 'renewables' that are anything other than geothermal, nuclear or hydro means that the supply becomes increasingly unstable, subject to massive undersupply in the case of storms (cf. south australia's repeated blackouts last year after they'd taken their coal powered backup offline).

So you either have to build conventional power sources that match the renewables in output then not use them efficiently, which is a net loss to pollution, or you have to build huge amounts of lossy and/or dirty storage. (cf. lakes of death in China associated with battery tech)

Do you think you can crack enough water to provide H2 to power electricity gen to match a doubled grid when the solar and wind goes down? Because that means you now need to have 2.5 - 3x the peak supply that we currently have.], plus H2 powered generating infrastructure that sits idle most of the time. Might be more efficient to push water uphill, at least that's not an explosion risk. And we are talking about immense H2 storage to buffer the grid.

H2 is great. It isn't green, its neutral at best.

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

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You seem to be confused about H2 and renewable energy.

Here's a video that may help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9117XqRG54

And here's the "Father of EV's" in China. Do you imagine that you know as much as Wan Gang about electric vehicles and hydrogen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsjcEDOQ3A

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is if it is made with renewable energy. Stop pretending that it is not.

3% green means 97% filthy.

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

[–]Chop_Chop 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A good debate has a solid footing. When you shift the goalposts, there's no learning, no gain, just a stupid game of chase.

No goalposts were shifted. You wrote: "energy has to come from somewhere to create the H2" as if anyone that advocates H2 doesn't know this. Condescend all you want.

H2 isn't inherently green. Stop pretending it is and then we can appreciate its energy density together.

It is if it is made with renewable energy. Stop pretending that it is not.

There will be LESS excess renewable energy,

ROFL

You haven't begun to hear about hydrogen. Take that to the bank.

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

[–]bobbobbybob 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

A good debate has a solid footing. When you shift the goalposts, there's no learning, no gain, just a stupid game of chase.

H2 isn't inherently green. end of. Stop pretending it is and then we can appreciate its energy density together.

Answering your questions, if all of NZ's fleet went electric (and H2 is electric at source) then we'd need to DOUBLE our electrickery gen. So no, There will be LESS excess renewable energy, and that's before the hidden costs of those are considered.

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

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energy has to come from somewhere to create the H2

This is called "Assuming the reader knows nothing about H2"

Do you think anyone in the H2 industry doesn't know this?

In the future, do you think there will be MORE excess renewable energy or LESS excess renewable energy?

LA Times June 2019: California has too much solar power

Goldwind joins 20GW hydrogen plan in China

Like other wind-rich areas of China, Baicheng’s grid faces problems accommodating power from the 4.65GW of existing wind and solar capacity serving the city, leading to curtailment of output.... https://www.evwind.es/2019/07/20/goldwind-joins-20gw-hydrogen-plan-in-china/68122

Just curious, what country are you in?

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

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If you're not interested in H2, don't click on a headline with hydrogen in it.

This is called "passive aggressive projection".

H2 is great, once the storage / transport issues are fully dealt with. (hard to beat octane for energy density and relative safety) But pretending it is a 'clean green' solution is nonsense. energy has to come from somewhere to create the H2, which is merely an energy storage medium. Like batteries, or springs.

Hokkaido, Japan: A Town Producing Milk and Hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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ehhh people or a town dont produce Milk ,only Mothers do that 🙃, but 1 good thing and 1 bad thing ,so 50 out of 50 is not bad

Alpiq and H2 plan to use hydroelectrical power for hydrogen. "Through its joint venture Hyundai Hydrogen Mobility, H2 Energy and Hyundai intend to bring hydrogen energy onto Swiss roads by 2025 – 600 more than originally announced" by [deleted] in Hydrogen

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Just ignore China, Korea and Japan. One day soon, many North Americans are going to wake up and wonder how China took over the H2 fuel cell industry. It will be loads of fun to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZsjcEDOQ3A

If you're not interested in H2, don't click on a headline with hydrogen in it.