Exclusive: Bosch identifies hydrogen as a ‘megatrend’. "The opportunity that hydrogen presents is one that’s not to be missed." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Time to pump some stocks!

Water electrolysis hydrogen production helps promote green growth in Ningxia, China by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Great cover story for the production of tritium and deuterium.

The Eiffel Tower lights up with renewable hydrogen energy by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Energy Observer To Light Eiffel Tower With Renewable Hydrogen

The Eiffel Tower will be illuminated with certified renewable hydrogen electricity on Tuesday evening.

In order to showcase the company's carbon-free technology, Energy Observer, based in Saint-Malo, France, wants the iconic site in Paris to be transformed into a showcase.

“The objective is to mobilize all French people, the general public as well as businesses and local authorities, around the hydrogen sector,” Energy Observer CEO Louis-Noel Vivies said.

A number of French officials are attending the evening event including Finance Minister Bruno Lemaire and Minister of the Ecological Transition.
https://fuelcellsworks.com/news/energy-observer-to-light-eiffel-tower-with-renewable-hydrogen/

Inside the world's first hydrogen-powered ship. We went on board the Energy Observer, a repurposed racing catamaran that's 100% energy-independent, producing its own power with hydrogen and solar technologies | CNET by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Replace that shit with sails and you'll get where you're going a lot faster.

If you don't understand the difference between sails and hydrogen fuel cells then any further discussion is a waste of time.

Oman targets 25GW wind and solar mega-build 'for millions of tonnes of green H2 a year'. Consortium led by state's energy company OQ says massive renewables deployment would turn Middle East state into global energy transition fuels hub by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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No matter how many times you repost it, this is still a very poorly thought out idea that will fail spectacularly.

That's your opinion. We'll see in a few years. Batteries are yesterday, H2 is the future.

Oman targets 25GW wind and solar mega-build 'for millions of tonnes of green H2 a year'. Consortium led by state's energy company OQ says massive renewables deployment would turn Middle East state into global energy transition fuels hub by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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No matter how many times you repost it, this is still a very poorly thought out idea that will fail spectacularly.

Toyota Is Building a Futuristic Prototype City Powered by Hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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So, tell me, how do you plan to produce all that hydrogen? Oh, and don't try to give me that "with renewable power" bullshit. If you had the "renewable power" you wouldn't need the hydrogen in the first place.

World's largest solar powered hydrogen plant in China begins operation. The project, owned by Baofeng Energy Group, uses a 200-MW solar power plant located in northwest China's Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region to electrolyze water to make hydrogen, which replaces coal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArXnEcwX44A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJhm6S3Gs1Q

Toyota Is Building a Futuristic Prototype City Powered by Hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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So, tell me, how do you plan to produce all that hydrogen? Oh, and don't try to give me that "with renewable power" bullshit. If you had the "renewable power" you wouldn't need the hydrogen in the first place.

Inside the world's first hydrogen-powered ship. We went on board the Energy Observer, a repurposed racing catamaran that's 100% energy-independent, producing its own power with hydrogen and solar technologies | CNET by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Replace that shit with sails and you'll get where you're going a lot faster.

Hydrogen power plant for the garden. The idea is that private customers will, in the future, be able to produce the hydrogen they need using small wind turbines. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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A wind turbine can produce electricity outright. Why use wind turbines to make hydrogen, adding an extra step to the process, when you'll use hydrogen to convert it back to electricity? It seems less efficient. The only beneficial reason I see is that batteries still need improvement.

Hydrogen power plant for the garden. The idea is that private customers will, in the future, be able to produce the hydrogen they need using small wind turbines. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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What is the benefit of using wind power to generate hydrogen instead of electricity? Is it because of storage?

100% green. "Electricity" can be green or not, depending on how it is produced. In the US, around 2/3rds of electricity is made by burning coal or natural gas.

Wind powered green Hydrogen station in Yorkshire, England
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJhm6S3Gs1Q

Hydrogen power plant for the garden. The idea is that private customers will, in the future, be able to produce the hydrogen they need using small wind turbines. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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What is the benefit of using wind power to generate hydrogen instead of electricity? Is it because of storage?

US Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm announces goal to make hydrogen power, EV batteries more affordable. In particular, Granholm said that she wants to reduce the price of hydrogen energy by 80 percent before 2030 and said this would make it “competitive with natural gas,” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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So, dumb bitch thinks that she can replace natural gas with hydrogen? I wonder how she thinks we are going to produce that hydrogen? Is it going to be through pure fucking magic?

If you read some of the posts here, you might have an idea.

For example:

Construction begins on world’s largest solar powered hydrogen plant in China
https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/hydrogen/construction-begins-on-worlds-largest-solar-powered-hydrogen-plant-in-china/

US Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm announces goal to make hydrogen power, EV batteries more affordable. In particular, Granholm said that she wants to reduce the price of hydrogen energy by 80 percent before 2030 and said this would make it “competitive with natural gas,” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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So, dumb bitch thinks that she can replace natural gas with hydrogen? I wonder how she thinks we are going to produce that hydrogen? Is it going to be through pure fucking magic?

Why are companies and countries investing massively in green hydrogen? The planet is now on a war footing to roll out green hydrogen, which has become a key objective in the drive to achieve sustainable mobility. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Why are so many millions of people worldwide so worried about ""global warming"" (promoted by lil Greta and Rothschild) when the tech sector is rapidly developing the products you promote? Also, the world is now entering an ice age.

India is turning to 'green hydrogen' in a bid to decarbonize its economy by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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India will add tariff on solar so...

As the Hydrogen Economy Heats Up, This Automaker is Turning to Fuel Cell Cars by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Not stopping China, and they will control the industry soon. https://www.cleantech.com/hydrogen-in-china/

As the Hydrogen Economy Heats Up, This Automaker is Turning to Fuel Cell Cars by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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The hydrogen "economy".

Hydrogen is a powerful fuel, and a frequent component in rocket fuel, but numerous technical challenges prevent the creation of a large-scale hydrogen economy. These include the difficulty of developing long-term storage, pipelines and engine equipment; a relative lack of off-the-shelf engine technology that can currently run safely on hydrogen; safety concerns due to the high reactivity of hydrogen fuel with environmental oxygen in the air; the expense of producing it by electrolysis; and a lack of efficient photochemical water splitting technology.

Edinburgh clean energy pioneer to work on ground-breaking hydrogen project in Wales. “first-of-its-kind” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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u/bobbobbybob is stuck on his old diesel smoke world!

Edinburgh clean energy pioneer to work on ground-breaking hydrogen project in Wales. “first-of-its-kind” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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BozoBobby ain't seen nothin' yet. Probably can't bring himself to look. Who's the retard now? lol@ u/bobbobbybob

Edinburgh clean energy pioneer to work on ground-breaking hydrogen project in Wales. “first-of-its-kind” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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u/bobbobbybob very angry

New 2021 Hyundai Xcient Hydrogen Fuel Cell truck - Full Review. (Truck on the road now in Switzerland) by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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This truck is on the road in Switzerland now, using the national hydrogen infrastructure

Translated by Google:

Switzerland: supermarket chain Migros very satisfied with hydrogen trucks

Four months after the first hydrogen trucks started running in Switzerland, the first experiences are shared. And they are very positive, not only at Hyundai and H2 Mobility, but also at the companies and drivers who use the trucks every day. The routes still have to be carefully planned, because the supply of hydrogen filling stations is still scarce. But we are working hard on that. Google Translate Link: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.waterstofmagazine.nl/11-nieuws/1143-zwitserland-supermarktketen-migros-zeer-tevreden-over-waterstoftrucks

Original:

Zwitserland: supermarktketen Migros zeer tevreden over waterstoftrucks
https://www.waterstofmagazine.nl/11-nieuws/1143-zwitserland-supermarktketen-migros-zeer-tevreden-over-waterstoftrucks

China rolled out its first self-developed hydrogen fuel cell hybrid locomotive by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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China numba wan

Retired German Coal Plant to Get New Life as a Hydrogen Hub. Vattenfall repurposing Moorburg station with Mitsubishi, Shell by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Vattenfall state owned too so they will waste no time

CNBC: Canada is set to have one the world's biggest green hydrogen plants. "For the project in Canada, the electricity will come from hydropower." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Lol sure, while thru desperately try to keep Keystone XL alive.

Alstom to supply Italy’s first hydrogen trains. "These trains, together with the Coradia iLint that have already proven themselves in commercial service in Germany, represent another major step in the transition towards global sustainable transport systems." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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hydrogen is not a good medium for short haul and most civilian transit.

"Hydrogen is at a 'tipping point' with $11 trillion market set to explode, says Bank of America. After decades of false starts, hydrogen technology is poised to take off as falling production costs, technological improvements, and a global push toward sustainability converge." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/27/hydrogen-is-at-a-tipping-point-with-11-trillion-market-set-to-explode-says-bank-of-america.html

Alstom to supply Italy’s first hydrogen trains. "These trains, together with the Coradia iLint that have already proven themselves in commercial service in Germany, represent another major step in the transition towards global sustainable transport systems." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Long haul rail on some lines maybe, but hydrogen is not a good medium for short haul and most civilian transit.

The Gospel of Hydrogen Power. Mike Strizki powers his house and cars with hydrogen he home-brews. He is using his retirement to evangelize for the planet-saving advantages of hydrogen batteries. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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PW: https://archive.is/RLraf

Scientific American 2008: Inside the Solar-Hydrogen House: No More Power Bills--Ever

A New Jersey resident generates and stores all the power he needs with solar panels and hydrogen https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hydrogen-house/

Australia's first remote, renewable hydrogen microgrid wins ARENA backing. "The new plant...will consist of a 348kW hydrogen electrolyser with compression & storage and a 100kW fuel cell, alongside 704kW of solar that will power the electrolyser to produce hydrogen for storage." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Hydrogen is basically just electric but you're converting the electricity to a gas, losing most of the power. Hydrogen requires cooling to store a reasonable amount, and even then it holds less energy and is more dangerous than a simple battery

Hydrogen replacing fossil fuels and becoming new source of power. "Professor Brouwer says green hydrogen can be used to power not only buildings and cars, but also jets, ships, trains and long haul trucks and its emissions won't harm people or the environment." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Hydrogen is not a fuel source. You have to extract it, which takes... energy (more than the hydrogen you get out). It's just an energy transport medium.

Alstom to supply Italy’s first hydrogen trains. "These trains, together with the Coradia iLint that have already proven themselves in commercial service in Germany, represent another major step in the transition towards global sustainable transport systems." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Why not battery with intermittent overhead electrified rail?

Did it ever occur to you that you might not know the REASONS for "all these stupid H2 projects"?

UK: University of Birmingham: Answering your questions about our hydrogen trains research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cekj2DiHPH8

One reason I post these H2 articles even though few people on this site GAF is to show that fools that dismissed H2 were clueless as to what was going on around the world with regard to the Hydrogen industry. I have already succeeded in that, whether you agree or not.

"stupid hydrogen projects"

Someone is "stupid" here and it's not the people building hydrogen trains. Thanks so much for your "input".

Edit: this was interesting, from an archive of your abandoned blog:

I am a U.S. Unionist(not labor unions), pro Trump, former chauvinist. Also, anti-interventionist. Disturbingly warm towards Juche ideals.

IF you actually were "anti-interventionist" you might realize that hydrogen is the end of the PetroDollar, if you knew anything about H2 that is.

Alstom to supply Italy’s first hydrogen trains. "These trains, together with the Coradia iLint that have already proven themselves in commercial service in Germany, represent another major step in the transition towards global sustainable transport systems." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Why not battery with intermittent overhead electrified rail? Where is all the money coming from for all these stupid hydrogen projects?

Bloomberg Green: China Defies Elon Musk’s Warnings and Pushes Ahead With Hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Elon is a corrupt thug who needs to stop the tesla battery shit and go buy powercell!

Volvo director: "Hydrogen is the future of power generation". “In the future, all trucks and buses will run on hydrogen. This is what we believe,” said Volvo Group Tech Director Thierry Hours in a recent meeting with senior officials from the Directorate-General for Research & Innovation & Transport by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Will hydrogen have more range than batteries?

Depends on how much H2 is on the vehicle. Adding range is just a matter of adding a tank. There are other advantages - fast refill/recharge and performance in cold temperatures.

Russian Scientists Find Way to Make Hydrogen Fuel Less Expensive by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Yeah, toyotas mirai is really cool too

Russian Scientists Find Way to Make Hydrogen Fuel Less Expensive by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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They are minus because ex-CEO Trevor Milton is a liar. Hopefully they can recover but even if they do, Hyundai and Toyota will present difficult competition. I'm all for Nikola but I don't like being lied to.

Russian Scientists Find Way to Make Hydrogen Fuel Less Expensive by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I have already bought powercell and nel stocks but I need to nikola to pull themselves instead of doing a bunch of pr. Gm bought them up and they still go minus...

Russian Scientists Find Way to Make Hydrogen Fuel Less Expensive by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Usa needs it right now

Finally North Americans are starting to pay attention to the hydrogen energy revolution taking place in a few forward thinking countries.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/27/hydrogen-is-at-a-tipping-point-with-11-trillion-market-set-to-explode-says-bank-of-america.html

Russian Scientists Find Way to Make Hydrogen Fuel Less Expensive by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Usa needs it right now

CNBC: Hydrogen is at a 'tipping point' with $11 trillion market set to explode, says Bank of America. After decades of false starts, hydrogen technology is poised to take off as falling production costs, technological improvements, and a global push toward sustainability converge. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Do they obtain the Hydrogen from (maybe electrolysis of) water? or is it from another source?

It's a central part of the H2 debate- where do you get the hydrogen. There's green - from electrolysis, blue - from SMR with carbon capture and grey H2 - just SMR. Many experts say green H2 can be cost comparable to grey maybe by 2030. I think sooner possibly.

Hydrogen fuel is finally having its moment — and it could be a huge opportunity for Canada by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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The 2021 Toyota Mirai caught my eye, so I looked into it thinking that refueling might be like recharging an electric car (Y'know, a little less convenient). There is exactly ONE refueling station in Arizona - and it's 150 miles from my home.

Nikola and GM team up to make this 900-horsepower super electric truck by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Nikola fake company tho, buy more bosch and powercell stock!

Austria's ÖBB begin operating Alstom's hydrogen train in passenger service by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Buy more powercell stock

Austria's ÖBB begin operating Alstom's hydrogen train in passenger service by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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H2U: The Start of a Hydrogen Society. "In the future, I believe entire cities can be powered by hydrogen fuel cells: not only cars, but buildings, factories, and even clubs" -Peggy Gou by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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This is the future I imagined a long time ago. It was a theme in a bunch of sci fi games too.

Hydrogen vehicles might soon become the global norm by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Tesla will prevent this

Thankfully no one in China, Korea or Japan cares even a tiny bit what Tesla thinks about hydrogen.

Hydrogen vehicles might soon become the global norm by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Tesla will prevent this

Hydrogen is the world's most abundant element - Can it ride to the rescue of the planet by becoming the 'coal of the future'? Hydrogen could create $2.5tn of business and more than 30m jobs by 2050. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Coal is an energy source. Hydrogen is an energy storage system. Producing hydrogen requires more energy than you get from burning it. It might be a useful energy storage system, but it is not the coal of the future.

Hydrogen is the world's most abundant element - Can it ride to the rescue of the planet by becoming the 'coal of the future'? Hydrogen could create $2.5tn of business and more than 30m jobs by 2050. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Just listened to a guy talk about future fuel sources mentioning Hydrogen to power a Nuclear Fusion reactor. It would be near zero point energy or something like that. With nuclear waste being Helium.

RyseHydrogen: China announce replacement of a fleet of 7000 battery-powered buses with Hydrogen-powered buses, as market-recognition of Hydrogen as the solution for heavy vehicles grows, Nanjing's 8.5 million inhabitants realise their zero-emission transport goals. #hydrogen #wecantwait by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Interesting stuff.

Before Tesla cars became a thing with the Model S, I remember there was a lot of talk about hydrogen cars. There was a video of someone who converted a Geo Metro to run on hydrogen and someone with a boat. Think this is the guy with the Geo: http://www.knowledgepublications.com/google_hydrogen_2.htm

The clean fuel of the future by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I've always been pro-hydrogen. But thing is in cold weather climates is black ice. there is already an issue with that normal combustion engines.

I mean you could try to somehow collect the condensate but your tank will freeze unless you add like antifreeze to it. but still...

it would be great for home heating tho, the delivery is already there and a lpg same as nat gas.

really i think all this alt energy is region specific.

there is a lot more product than just gasoline that come from oil. Even natural gas, all that "bad" fracking you see is from bad practices, you get ethane from fracking... all your plastics come from that

idk, this is kind of scattered in a hurry, gotta get out the door, but i think you get my point

S. Korea aims to foster 1,000 hydrogen-related firms by 2040 by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Big oil and governments foaming at the mouth, trying to scramble centralized energy production somehow...If they could they'd block out the Sun for all of us so that we can't tap limitless and free energy God left for us.

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I don't need to know much about a particular problem when I'm an intuitive, educated person. My general guess is usually enough.

As far as you are concerned;

WIKI:

Recycling processes today recover approximately 25% to 96% of the materials of a lithium-ion battery cell, depending on the separation technology.[7][8] In order to achieve this goal, several steps are combined into complex process chains, especially considering the task to recover high rates of valuable materials with regard to involved safety issues.[9][10]

Lithion Recycling has developed an efficient & cost-effective process for recycling lithium-ion batteries, the most widely used batteries for electrical vehicles & portable electronics today. This new process will allow up to 95% of these batteries components to be recovered & treated so that they can be reused by battery manufacturers—a concrete way to close the loop of battery life-cycle. The technology put forward by Lithion Recycling uses an innovative combination of processes, based on hydrometallurgy. The result is a size and chemistry agnostic process emitting very low GHG emissions.

And I don't understand what do you mean by "supply houses with backup power"...But I sense confusion in that one as well lol

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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First of all, no need to be rude

Pointing out that it is silly for you to imagine that you know anything about H2 rail in the UK is not rude, it's truth.

You've been schooled, lol, i'm sorry

In your imagination, again. And yeah, you are a bit sorry. What is it with these arrogant battery lovers.

Since recycling of Li-Ion batteries is not cost effective in 2020, what do you propose to do with mountains of dead battery packs? Every battery made today will die one day. And before you say they will supply homes with backup power, better call your insurance company.

I wouldn't presume to say "you were schooled". Have fun.

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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First of all, no need to be rude, but then again, you're probably quite insecure about all these posts on your profile about hydrogen... Read the following, but please have a seat first because I don't want you fainting or panicking after you realize who's the ignorant one here.

Which is a better source of energy and why, solar or hydrogen? Solar energy is abundant (with caveats) and hydrogen is almost non-existent as free hydrogen. As a means of creating storing and distributing energy for cars, electricity produced by solar PV and stored in batteries beats the “hydrogen economy” by more than two times. Let me explain; The round-trip efficiency of the process electricity-to-hydrogen-to-electricity is around 40%. Less if your vehicle uses a combustion engine, down to 25%. Compared with the same round trip for electricity-to-batteries-to-electricity at 85%. That means your vehicle needs more than twice the input energy using hydrogen compared to batteries. The “hydrogen economy” seemed like a good idea 20 or 30 years ago. But battery technology overtook hydrogen and now it is simply a niche product. It will remain that way until someone comes up with new materials and processes that make hydrogen cheaper. And even then, (IF it happens) the world will take at least 10 years to transition. Using hydrogen created by renewable energy sounds great until you work the details. You can’t put (much) hydrogen into existing pipelines. Hydrogen creates problems with both hydrogen embrittlement and corrosion, which means it requires special materials for pipes and valves. The problem is compounded because hydrogen can easily migrate into the crystal structure of most metals. And hydrogen just isn’t easy, or cheap, to make. It burns cleaner than fossil fuels, but that is hardly a high bar.

Now, that's just the basics. As far as the video you've posted, it seems that indeed English railways is abt 60% powered by diesel. My bad to presume that the oldest railway nation is also one of the advanced railway nations these days. (still not an excuse to be impolite really). Why in the hell would they want to use electricity to manufacture hydrogen, to manufacture electricity again when solar is making such GIANT leaps lately with both batteries and solar cells...It couldn't be that the oligarchs in UK are worried about the decentralization of their power, literally?!

You've been schooled, lol, i'm sorry

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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so that means again they are exchanging electric engines with internal combustion ones for the railway? How silly

Not ICE. How silly to imagine that you know anything about what's going on WRT H2 trains in the UK, yet have an arrogant attitude about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cekj2DiHPH8

UK jumps on hydrogen railwagon. The UK government will fund the development of hydrogen trains, with researchers zeroing in on the final stages of a project aimed at cleaning up isolated parts of the British railway network. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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so that means again they are exchanging electric engines with internal combustion ones for the railway? How silly

Brussels hitches industrial hopes to hydrogen. The European Commission wants to fund a world-dominating hydrogen market, according to a draft strategy seen by POLITICO. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

[–]kokolokoNightcrawler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are in panic mode over solar decentralization coming fast

Brussels hitches industrial hopes to hydrogen. The European Commission wants to fund a world-dominating hydrogen market, according to a draft strategy seen by POLITICO. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Cheap and dirty, gray hydrogen can be made by stripping natural gas at €1 per kilogram. Capturing the escaping CO2 to lower emissions, which makes so-called blue hydrogen, ups the cost to €1.50 to €2 per kilogram. Green hydrogen, made from renewable electricity and zero emissions, can cost up to €5 per kilogram.

“The main booster has to be a significant increase in volumes to bring down the price … to a range of €1-€2 per kilogram as quickly as possible,” the draft states. “Time to lay the foundations for this rapid acceleration and industrial leadership is now.”

Production targets would be set for the desired amounts of green, blue and gray hydrogen for 2030, 2040 and 2050.

In the short term, the Commission proposal suggests paying producers of gray hydrogen to go blue by implementing carbon capture technologies.

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I would love to see hybrid options. I know that the Aptera meant for some models to have fuel generators for long distance, and rather than driving the car, the provided electricity. Man I wish they'd become a thing. I suspect they were intentionally mismanaged and driven into the ground.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptera_Motors

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Aptera

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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They are not really Graphene batteries per se , but Graphene is gonna be used as coating on X-ion batteries as well as maybe some other elements too to improve efficiency, speed of charging and durability, dramatically. :) Hydrogen would have been nice to have in cars 20 some years ago, now the cat is out of the bag with Tesla mainly.

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Good video. I love Cold Fusion.

I'm with Chop_Chop and have been saying for decades hydrogen could easily swap out our other fuel paradigm, which to be honest I'm not a fan of centralized fuel and our dependence on Big Oil. Doesn't mean we couldn't generate our own hydrogen though - like how we made bio-diesel in our Oakland warehouse in 2005.

Further, to generate the hydrogen you could burn all the fossil fuels, plus trash, etc in a central place and scrub it all to heck more efficiently in order to get all the potential pollution than what would have been decentralized by the millions of vehicles using it.

On the other hand I'm excited for graphene batteries.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=graphene+batteries

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADS742xsoTw Plus, there's constant research for new tech upgrading Li-ion, or some completely different storage.

I've seen videos of physicists working with h2 in labs say its the most dangerous gas ever as far as instability and the magnitude of damage that it could result in.

How sure are you in your claims?

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I think fully electric, solar rechargeable is gonna take over in 10 years. Hydrogen is too heavy to store and dangerous.

Any idea what to do with mountains of dead batteries? It is not cost effective to recycle Li-ion batteries in 2020. Also figure in the cost to replace them. Hydrogen is not heavy to store compared to batteries. When you pass a propane truck or a propane gas company with 1,000 gallon tanks do you think Propane is dangerous? Hydrogen is safer than propane.

H2 is a much better storage method than Li-ion. The cause of the explosion below has not been identified yet, over a year later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gENQYrlFfPs

Battery Bus Joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jV7AweTDKs

South Korea to Build Hydrogen Production Facilities for 50,000 Vehicles This Year. "We will make efforts to become a leading country in the global hydrogen economy by establishing an early hydrogen mobility infrastructure without inconvenience to the people." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I think fully electric, solar rechargeable is gonna take over in 10 years. Hydrogen is too heavy to store and dangerous.

Hyundai Motor Group @HMGnewsroom: Hyundai is committed to changing the world, beyond cars, with its fuel cell system #FuelCell #FCEV #CleanMobility (ships, buses, drones, forklifts, trains, emergency power) "First Mover of a New Hydrogen Society" by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Claire Johnson @clairej_H2: Well done @Hyundai_Global on demonstrating the flexibility of multi-use fuel cell systems - ships, buses, drones, forklifts, trains, emergency power - all are ripe for mainstream fuel cell application. https://twitter.com/clairej_H2/status/1253153986074382336?s=20