Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act makes green hydrogen profitable at scale, Goldman Sachs says by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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LOL!

If The Electric Car Revolution Sputters, Hydrogen Could Still Succeed. Electric cars have some serious drawbacks. Battery prices are now advancing not falling. Electric cars were going to become firm favorites as the price of batteries fell under $100 kWh, but the reverse is now happening by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Not enough are educated on this

That's why I continue to post here and other places, hardly anyone knows about why H2 has great potential. The US "news" media has been talking about US imperialism and not much else for the last 22+ years - they have totally failed the people.

That is what they want, and unless we fight, we will get it.

Watch China- they are showing how to do this, which - until a few years ago, I never ever thought I'd say.

If The Electric Car Revolution Sputters, Hydrogen Could Still Succeed. Electric cars have some serious drawbacks. Battery prices are now advancing not falling. Electric cars were going to become firm favorites as the price of batteries fell under $100 kWh, but the reverse is now happening by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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It will never happen unless the people demand it. Not enough are educated on this, nor will they ever be. They are going to push electric cars until we can't pull any more lithium out of the ground. The prices will keep rising as this artificial demand made by governments will never have enough supply to have prices fall. Then we will have shitty electric cars that you can't go very far in, they will all have kill switches installed per federal law, and then the government will say how far and often we can drive. Probably tie it to a social credit score. That is what they want, and unless we fight, we will get it.

The Ford Falcon Freebird is a hydrogen-powered hot rod. The classic was rebuilt by Arrington Performance with a 5.0-liter Ford V8 from a Ford Mustang that's been modified to run on the literal gas instead of gasoline by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Congratulations, you have made the vehicle much more dangerous by introducing a highly explosive compressed gas.

Congratulations, you have shown you don't know much about the topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8dNFiVaF0

What else don't you know about hydrogen?

The Ford Falcon Freebird is a hydrogen-powered hot rod. The classic was rebuilt by Arrington Performance with a 5.0-liter Ford V8 from a Ford Mustang that's been modified to run on the literal gas instead of gasoline by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Congratulations, you have made the vehicle much more dangerous by introducing a highly explosive compressed gas.

Here’s How The Hydrogen-Powered Hyperion XP-1 Left Supercar Blondie Mesmerized by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Cool car. I don’t know why a girl is reviewing it.

‘Green hydrogen is now cheaper to produce’. Green H2 is now the cheaper option, when compared with producing the gas from polluting sources. That’s according to analysis by Carbon Tracker, which claims the Ukraine War has inadvertently helped to reduce the cost of generating H2 with an electrolyser by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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By the way, how do you plan to power the electrolizers?

Here's one way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEQsq6iVIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_tUiYIvfHM

Your renewables have no chance of producing enough power.

People with this kind of dated imagination are presenting some of us with a tremendous stock buying opportunity. THANKS!!

‘Green hydrogen is now cheaper to produce’. Green H2 is now the cheaper option, when compared with producing the gas from polluting sources. That’s according to analysis by Carbon Tracker, which claims the Ukraine War has inadvertently helped to reduce the cost of generating H2 with an electrolyser by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Lol! They're full of shit. By the way, how do you plan to power the electrolizers? Your renewables have no chance of producing enough power. Plus you're adding in, yet another conversion with very poor efficiency.

Volkswagen develops hydrogen car that can travel 2,000 kilometers on one tank. ‘The main difference with the fuel cells from Hyundai & Toyota is that we use a ceramic membrane instead of the usual plastic membrane. That is a huge difference’, an employee of Kraftwerk Tubes explains by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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No way would German car companies routinely fake the performance of their vehicles.

(Germans wont get this because it's a joke)

Lufthansa Technik Is Turning An Airbus A320 Into A Hydrogen Lab. The aircraft will be used to research refueling and other ground infrastructure challenges on the road to decarbonizing air transport. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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It would be cool, if there was an air craft that could produce hydrogen faster than it used it.

Or a nuclear air craft that can stay in the air.

Or wireless electricity transmission. Floating houses.

Belgian bioengineers aim to make roof-mounted hydrogen panels available for consumers by 2030 by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Filling in where solar leaves gaps is cool.

Renault Scenic Returns As A Bold Conceptual EV With A Hydrogen Range Extender. This hybrid setup allows the vehicle to carry a twice as light battery for the same range. According to Renault, the Scénic Vision has a 75 percent smaller carbon footprint than a conventional battery electric vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Cool video. I agree using solar energy is currently the best source of energy for electrolysis, but while hydrogen itself is clean, the production of solar panels is not as perfectly sustainable and harmless as people would like to think, although I agree its preferable to carbon emitting fuels or even the lithium needed for batteries. I think this is more of a 'best we can do with what we have now' plan than a 'problem solved, no more energy environmental issues' thing

Renault Scenic Returns As A Bold Conceptual EV With A Hydrogen Range Extender. This hybrid setup allows the vehicle to carry a twice as light battery for the same range. According to Renault, the Scénic Vision has a 75 percent smaller carbon footprint than a conventional battery electric vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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its that extracting it from anything uses energy, and we dont have any clean base source for this

China has started to develop sources, part of a multi-year plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEQsq6iVIE

Renault Scenic Returns As A Bold Conceptual EV With A Hydrogen Range Extender. This hybrid setup allows the vehicle to carry a twice as light battery for the same range. According to Renault, the Scénic Vision has a 75 percent smaller carbon footprint than a conventional battery electric vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Too bad hydrogen is still not a green power storage medium LOL

Theres more to it than that. Hydrogen in theory can be a clean storage medium - its just harvesting H2 molecules from water by applying a current, but there are some complications that make this distinction not very meaningful

In theory it is free without any cost if we use the excess solar and wind produced at peak times to supply the current, as this is energy that would otherwise be wasted.

Now in reality the solar panels and wind are what are NOT in fact green. Those solar panels need special materials to be mined that are not green, and do not last forever, nor are they recyclable.

It isn't really the H2 itself thats the issue, its that extracting it from anything uses energy, and we dont have any clean base source for this. Hydrogen will NOT solve our problems, but it can make dirty technology slightly more efficient, because storing energy that already was dirty without any additional dirtiness is really all it can offer at the moment. But IF (thats a big if) you had magic solar panels made out of some really green material, or cold fusion reactors, we could use that energy to make hydrogen to fuel our cars, so those dont need nuclear reactors or solar powering. But yes, it is of limited benefit, and not something that will 'solve' green energy by any means

Renault Scenic Returns As A Bold Conceptual EV With A Hydrogen Range Extender. This hybrid setup allows the vehicle to carry a twice as light battery for the same range. According to Renault, the Scénic Vision has a 75 percent smaller carbon footprint than a conventional battery electric vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Ooooooh okay they recycled standard terminology from gasoline "range extenders" and that's the source of confusion. Now we're on the same page. That's kinda neat then.

Too bad hydrogen is still not a green power storage medium LOL

Renault Scenic Returns As A Bold Conceptual EV With A Hydrogen Range Extender. This hybrid setup allows the vehicle to carry a twice as light battery for the same range. According to Renault, the Scénic Vision has a 75 percent smaller carbon footprint than a conventional battery electric vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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The hydrogen-fueled range extender, does it by any chance burn hydrogen in a combustion chamber inside an engine? The bit on the left end of this picture JPG I hope you will agree does bear an uncanny resemblance to an internal combustion engine, no?

This particular model uses a 'hydrogen fuel cell' which means they are using the H+ hydrogen ions essentially like a battery rather than using the H2 form as combustion fuel, despite any resemblance it might bear to an ICE. Internal combustion hydrogen engines exist as well, and conventional ICE's can be modified for hydrogen fuel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_RX-8_Hydrogen_RE), and also have no CO2 emissions, although they do have NOx emissions due to the heat of combustion fusing (harmless) N2 with (harmless) O to form NOx, which is a greenhouse gas.

Renault Scenic Returns As A Bold Conceptual EV With A Hydrogen Range Extender. This hybrid setup allows the vehicle to carry a twice as light battery for the same range. According to Renault, the Scénic Vision has a 75 percent smaller carbon footprint than a conventional battery electric vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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The hydrogen-fueled range extender, does it by any chance burn hydrogen in a combustion chamber inside an engine? The bit on the left end of this picture I hope you will agree does bear an uncanny resemblance to an internal combustion engine, no?

The rest of the power, it comes from a battery. So . . . it's an internal combustion/battery electric hybrid as I said.

Renault Scenic Returns As A Bold Conceptual EV With A Hydrogen Range Extender. This hybrid setup allows the vehicle to carry a twice as light battery for the same range. According to Renault, the Scénic Vision has a 75 percent smaller carbon footprint than a conventional battery electric vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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so . . . it's an internal combustion/battery electric hybrid?

Maybe reread the article

This was so stunning and brave . . . when Toyota did it like 20 years ago

How many other incorrect assumptions have you made, do you ever wonder? Apparently you get off on assuming you know things you really don't. It's amusing to watch, at least for a few minutes.

Renault Scenic Returns As A Bold Conceptual EV With A Hydrogen Range Extender. This hybrid setup allows the vehicle to carry a twice as light battery for the same range. According to Renault, the Scénic Vision has a 75 percent smaller carbon footprint than a conventional battery electric vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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so . . . it's an internal combustion/battery electric hybrid? This was so stunning and brave . . . when Toyota did it like 20 years ago

nm i was wrong, see below

Bad News For Fossil Fuels: Barbados Seeks Green Hydrogen. The tiny island nation of Barbados could wield a big green hydrogen stick while demonstrating that energy and food security can coexist. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Good news is green hydrogen is a myth and the market for fossil fuels will continue to expand indefinitely.

BMW says betting everything on batteries is a bad idea, echoes Toyota's belief in hydrogen fuel cells. BMW CEO Oliver Zipse reiterated the Munich-based company’s stance that although the BMW Group is adopting an electric-centric strategy, it is wrong to bet the future on just one technology path by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Every time energy changes form heat is produced, right? Electric cars are charged with power from wind, solar, coal, gas, or nuclear or a combination of multiple sources. If that is true, and heat is released each time the energy changes form, then doesn't it follow that electric cars contribute to global warming?

Lithium and rare earth metal mining is terribly expensive and destructive to the environment.

The long term production of lithium batteries is not sustainable. The supply of lithium is limited.

How are electric cars good for the environment when compared to hydrogen cars?

Scottish Hydrogen Train project on track to deliver climate targets. The project is a partnership between the University of St Andrews, Transport Scotland, Scottish Enterprise, Ballard Motive Solutions, Abbott Risk Consulting, ARUP, Aegis and Angel Trains. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Why hydrogen trains?

University of Birmingham: Answering your questions about our hydrogen trains research with Alex and Stuart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cekj2DiHPH8

The Hydrogen Stream: World’s largest electrolyzer to be deployed in Norway. HydrogenPro is set to install the world’s largest electrolyzer in Norway, while Siemens is preparing to commission Germany’s second biggest electrolyzer. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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So where do they think the power to run the electrolizers is going to come from? I'm betting coal.

Anyone that knows where Norway's electricity comes from would take that bet. Any more assumptions to share?

The Hydrogen Stream: World’s largest electrolyzer to be deployed in Norway. HydrogenPro is set to install the world’s largest electrolyzer in Norway, while Siemens is preparing to commission Germany’s second biggest electrolyzer. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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So where do they think the power to run the electrolizers is going to come from? I'm betting coal.

Hyundai Puts XCIENT Fuel Cell Electric Trucks into Commercial Fleet Operation in California by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Gee, I wonder why they didn't introduce it in another State? Let's check . . . https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/hydrogen_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=HY

The Promise Of Green Hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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IMO hydrogen and nuclear are the only real options we have.

Almost certainly there are important inventions yet to happen that could help too, but it hasn't been a priority.

In the US any real R&D into H2 was killed off by the Obama admin. That, plus the wars - trillions of $ wasted and millions of man-hours thrown away on surveillance and death. There hasn't been any real groundbreaking tech from the US since the net. Imagine if the US actually invested time and money in real energy independence - it would happen. But that's not important to those in power.

The Promise Of Green Hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I learned this week that there is estimated to be enough lithium on the planet to make about 2 billion cars total. Which is a lot, but not really when you think of the scale of our species. IMO hydrogen and nuclear are the only real options we have.

Time for green hydrogen in India is now, says RK Singh; invites private players to invest. “We are going to come out with production incentives for the manufacturing of electrolysers. We are going to need a huge amount of electrolysers,” Singh said by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Are there really people who believe in the idea of "green hydrogen" or is it entirely a psyop?

If you actually are a believer, where do you think they Hydrogen comes from?

Watch these and tell me where you think the hydrogen comes from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEQsq6iVIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_tUiYIvfHM

Battery fanatics ignore examples like this. Are you a battery fanatic? Do you think that batteries and only batteries is the future of energy?

Time for green hydrogen in India is now, says RK Singh; invites private players to invest. “We are going to come out with production incentives for the manufacturing of electrolysers. We are going to need a huge amount of electrolysers,” Singh said by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Hydrogen comes from water. They apply a current to separate the water into hydrogen and oxygen.

Solar and wind power are very inconsistent, it produces excess power at some times, and not enough power at others, and we have to burn coal or natural gas

They can take the excess clean power and use it to perform electrolysis and store the hydrogen, then it can be burned cleanly at off peak times.

So yes, adding hydrogen to the grid does add 'free' electricity that would otherwise go to waste, and has no emissions besides being turned back into water. It wont replace all the other power sources, but there really isn't any drawback to this. It is a far more useful and clean technology than lithium batteries and electric cars.

I'm not sure exactly what you object to about hydrogen

Check out this winery. They are completly off-grid due to having a hydrolyzer. The power got shut down by the electric company when there were fires, but these guys were able to stay powered up

https://www.stoneedgefarm.com/microgrid/

Time for green hydrogen in India is now, says RK Singh; invites private players to invest. “We are going to come out with production incentives for the manufacturing of electrolysers. We are going to need a huge amount of electrolysers,” Singh said by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Are there really people who believe in the idea of "green hydrogen" or is it entirely a psyop?

If you actually are a believer, where do you think they Hydrogen comes from?

The clean hydrogen energy economy was a dream. The climate bill could make it a reality this decade by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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LOL

Hydrogen History 2009: Obama kills the hydrogen car by slashing research funding by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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ROFL

Hydrogen History 2009: Obama kills the hydrogen car by slashing research funding by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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😮

Hydrogen History 2009: Obama kills the hydrogen car by slashing research funding by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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That's because the idea is essentially worthless.

Hydrogen History 2009: Obama kills the hydrogen car by slashing research funding by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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And it looks like all the other countries are picking it up.

Hydrogen History 2009: Obama kills the hydrogen car by slashing research funding by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Energy entrepreneur: Kansas wind power, underground storage fuels optimism of hydrogen’s potential. "The potential for green H2 for vehicle fuel & generating electricity is our greatest economic & environmental hope, because it’s going to be cheaper than all fossil fuels when it’s made correctly..." by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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“The potential for green hydrogen for vehicle fuel and generating electricity is our greatest economic and environmental hope, because it’s going to be cheaper than all fossil fuels when it’s made correctly and is going to do more to stop climate change than any other technological source in the world,” Spease said. “There’s nothing not to like about it.”

First ever hydrogen buses to arrive in Australia. Foton Mobility and Transit Systems have announced the arrival of two hydrogen buses, the first of their kind in Australia. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Hydrogen males the most sense as a replacement for gas. (As oppose to EVs) But man, when these things catch on fire! Ohh baby!

This one is Natural gas, but I think Hydrogen would preform similar.

17 seconds in is where you are going to want to break out the hotdogs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHf2o9oVY24

Watch a Hydrogen-Burning Toyota GR Yaris Rip Through Some Rally Stages. Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda and four-time WRC champ Juha Kankkunen gave Toyota’s newest hydrogen-powered toy a proper shakedown at Ypres Rally Belgium. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Fuck yeah Toyota! Sick!!

Thanks for the link, hadn't seen that, and it is very cool. I want one

Toyota CEO hopeful hydrogen power could be the future for rallying by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Yeah, it could be da bomb...

Sure for those who don't understand hydrogen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8dNFiVaF0

Toyota CEO hopeful hydrogen power could be the future for rallying by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Yeah, it could be da bomb...

Germany inaugurates world’s first hydrogen-powered train fleet. A fleet of 14 trains powered entirely by hydrogen is launched in Germany’s Lower Saxony state. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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has replaced diesel locomotives.

News to me, most every train I have seen is electric. I live in Bavaria so maybe up north they have diesel locomotives.

Hydrogen pilot plant in China's Anhui ensures safe, stable power supply by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Cute. Now how are they sourcing the hydrogen?

Not sure about this specific project but maybe like this, which was the first of many of these factories

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEQsq6iVIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_tUiYIvfHM

Hydrogen pilot plant in China's Anhui ensures safe, stable power supply by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Cute. Now how are they sourcing the hydrogen?

Toyota’s Push for Hydrogen Fuel Cells Over Electric Batteries. Toyota maintains H2-fueled cars not only provide a viable option to BEVs but also support a diverse marketplace. Toyota also points out many current cars could be converted to run on H2, allowing owners to keep their current vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Either way I'm staying with solar, my home is 100 % solar and the wifes tesla get's a free charge.

Hydrogen is how to store renewable energy like solar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9117XqRG54

Toyota’s Push for Hydrogen Fuel Cells Over Electric Batteries. Toyota maintains H2-fueled cars not only provide a viable option to BEVs but also support a diverse marketplace. Toyota also points out many current cars could be converted to run on H2, allowing owners to keep their current vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I understand why there pushing for hydrogen fuel, it cost $16.51 per kilogram and The Toyota Mirai has gas tank sizes ranging from 32.3 gallons to 37.5 gallons so add it up. About $550 to fill up and drive 850 miles.

Recheck your sources.

Mirai tank = 5 Kg. Around 375-400 miles range.

1 Kg H2 = about the same energy as 1 gallon petrol.

5 x $16.51 = $82.55

Hydrogen will cost less in the future.

Toyota’s Push for Hydrogen Fuel Cells Over Electric Batteries. Toyota maintains H2-fueled cars not only provide a viable option to BEVs but also support a diverse marketplace. Toyota also points out many current cars could be converted to run on H2, allowing owners to keep their current vehicle by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I understand why there pushing for hydrogen fuel, it cost $16.51 per kilogram and The Toyota Mirai has gas tank sizes ranging from 32.3 gallons to 37.5 gallons so add it up. About $550 to fill up and drive 850 miles.

Hydrogen fuel cells could provide emission free backup power at datacenters, Microsoft says. “What we just witnessed was, for the datacenter industry, a moon landing moment,” said Sean James, director of datacenter research. “We have a generator that produces no emissions. It’s mind-blowing.” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Huh I guess all those miles of stainless steel tubing and all the solar panels and shit just invented themselves out of thin nothing. Solar is not a net gain at current efficiency rates, although it's getting closer.

Nuclear is the answer.

Hydrogen fuel cells could provide emission free backup power at datacenters, Microsoft says. “What we just witnessed was, for the datacenter industry, a moon landing moment,” said Sean James, director of datacenter research. “We have a generator that produces no emissions. It’s mind-blowing.” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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no emissions . . . except when you fill it up. "Zero emissions" is a lie in every single scenario

You have no idea what you're talking about.

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_tUiYIvfHM

One of the biggest energy revolutions in at least 100 years is happening right now. Most in the US are completely clueless about it. You in the US?

Hydrogen fuel cells could provide emission free backup power at datacenters, Microsoft says. “What we just witnessed was, for the datacenter industry, a moon landing moment,” said Sean James, director of datacenter research. “We have a generator that produces no emissions. It’s mind-blowing.” by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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If they are so concerned about Co2 why are they not out planting trees.

Maybe they haven't thought of that. Why not call them up and explain that they're wasting time with fuel cells.

Queensland airline Skytrans unveils plans for Australia’s first hydrogen-fuelled plane. Hydrogen is a ‘truly sustainable solution’ for aviation which has so far been hard to decarbonise, says aircraft maker Stralis by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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That's neat, if it scales to production. It doesn't make solar 'green' but it hurts a bit less on the second go-round of use of the materials. It's also not ready for prime time and as they said everybody's waiting to start processing these mountains of old solar cells,until it becomes something 'worth' doing.

U.S. Has Fallen Behind in Race Towards a Hydrogen Economy, Says Information Trends by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Chevron exxon the culprit

DOE Launches Bipartisan Infrastructure Law's $8 Billion Program for Clean Hydrogen Hubs Across U.S. Nationwide Network of Regional Hydrogen Hubs Will Create Good-Paying Jobs and Jumpstart America’s Clean Hydrogen Economy by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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It's a scam.

Source for this? Besides a bunch of rabid know-nothing battery fans regurgitating lies to help their stock pics?

https://www.youtube.com/user/H2FCHannover/videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUf3q9J-kS4

Do you live in N. America? Because N.Americans are the most uninformed and ignorant people RE: H2 and Fuel Cells on the planet. Educate yourself. Meanwhile, thanks for helping to keep H2 stocks affordable.

DOE Launches Bipartisan Infrastructure Law's $8 Billion Program for Clean Hydrogen Hubs Across U.S. Nationwide Network of Regional Hydrogen Hubs Will Create Good-Paying Jobs and Jumpstart America’s Clean Hydrogen Economy by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I heard california has some infastructue for hydrogen

56 stations and more coming soon in CA.

The nation to watch is China- there were no stations as recently as 2016

(1 1/2 year old article - there are more now)

At the end of 2020, there were 275 hydrogen stations in Asia, 142 of them in Japan, and 60 in Korea. The 69 Chinese hydrogen stations in the database are used almost exclusively for the refuelling of buses or truck fleets.

China is in the process of retrofitting 1000 petrol stations with H2 dispensers
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Energy/Sinopec-to-add-hydrogen-to-1-000-gas-stations-by-2025

DOE Launches Bipartisan Infrastructure Law's $8 Billion Program for Clean Hydrogen Hubs Across U.S. Nationwide Network of Regional Hydrogen Hubs Will Create Good-Paying Jobs and Jumpstart America’s Clean Hydrogen Economy by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I heard california has some infastructue for hydrogen, don't know about the rest.

New Zealand: Decarbonising heavy transport with hydrogen trucks. Work is underway to build a network of hydrogen refuelling stations to power a new fleet of low-emission trucks, a move that could significantly decarbonise the country's heavy transport industry. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Sure everyone worth listening to knows . . . but then it's to be recalled we're talking about politicans trying to green up the country's transport industry, no?

The small H2 generator thing looks pretty neat, thanks for the link!

New Zealand: Decarbonising heavy transport with hydrogen trucks. Work is underway to build a network of hydrogen refuelling stations to power a new fleet of low-emission trucks, a move that could significantly decarbonise the country's heavy transport industry. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Plot twist hydrogen isn't a low-carbon alternative due to the fact you have to source it from somewhere.

Pretty sure every single person in today's hydrogen industry knows this.

China does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOEQsq6iVIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_tUiYIvfHM

So does propane, but who cares about mature technology when we can pay our special industry buddies to build new?

Not practical to make propane at home but one day soon home hydrogen dispensers will be affordable, especially wrapped up in a mortgage.
http://teamsimplefuel.com

New Zealand: Decarbonising heavy transport with hydrogen trucks. Work is underway to build a network of hydrogen refuelling stations to power a new fleet of low-emission trucks, a move that could significantly decarbonise the country's heavy transport industry. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Plot twist hydrogen isn't a low-carbon alternative due to the fact you have to source it from somewhere. It does burn cleaner though. So does propane, but who cares about mature technology when we can pay our special industry buddies to build new?

Is Elon Musk Right Or Wrong To Dismiss Hydrogen Use For Low-Carbon Energy Storage? by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Clearly wrong. Elon is is obviously very heavily invested in batteries. Batteries that require really destructive mining of rare earth minerals, and are not particularly efficient at storing energy. Batteries are nice for things like cell phones where we dont want to carry around a portable power plant for energy, but for large scale energy grid like homes and power plants, hydrogen electrolysis is clearly a better answer for storing the excess power produced by renewable sources.

Is Elon Musk Right Or Wrong To Dismiss Hydrogen Use For Low-Carbon Energy Storage? by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Who gives a damn about what some controlled opposition dingbat thinks about competing technologies?

That dingbat is the world's greatest hydrogen basher and happens to influence a huge number of people. Where the hell is the hydrogen industry to push back?

Is Elon Musk Right Or Wrong To Dismiss Hydrogen Use For Low-Carbon Energy Storage? by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Who gives a damn about what some controlled opposition dingbat thinks about competing technologies?

Berkeley Marine Hydrogen Project is the beginning of the conversion at the Marina to supply hydrogen to boaters and conversion of boats to hydrogen propulsion. by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Thanks - it's a different article. There's almost no one here, and the 2 or 3 readers probably forgot that anyway. It was a month ago.

'Cheaper green hydrogen' | US start-up's novel low-cost electrolyser promises 30% more bang per buck. The founder of Wisconsin-based Advanced Ionics — which emerges from stealth mode today — explains that the Symbiotic electrolyser requires 35kWh of electricity to produce one kilogram of hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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I appreciate your response. It was informative and well thought out.For some reason, I recall being taught that hydrogen is extremely dangerous, and it’s impossible to keep. It’s looks like I recall wrong.

'Cheaper green hydrogen' | US start-up's novel low-cost electrolyser promises 30% more bang per buck. The founder of Wisconsin-based Advanced Ionics — which emerges from stealth mode today — explains that the Symbiotic electrolyser requires 35kWh of electricity to produce one kilogram of hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Isn’t hydrogen dangerous because any leak means a massive explosion?

If H2 leaks inside a building it's a big problem, which can be solved with detectors and automatic venting. If it leaks outside, it's so light it rises into the atmosphere, unlike propane which sinks and collects. Here's a hydrogen leak and ignition test

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA8dNFiVaF0

Sometimes accidents happen of course, and so safety is really important. Only trained techs should be involved.

transporting it through a pipe is not feasible?

There are hundreds of miles of hydrogen pipelines in the US, most connecting Gulf Coast refineries. You can read more at https://www.airproducts.com

There’s some kind of storage issue?

Storage of H2 today is compressed or liquid, neither of which is easy but doable and every day engineers are working on it - from China to Germany. Ammonia (NH3) may be a good way. Whatever the issue is an answer will be found.

'Cheaper green hydrogen' | US start-up's novel low-cost electrolyser promises 30% more bang per buck. The founder of Wisconsin-based Advanced Ionics — which emerges from stealth mode today — explains that the Symbiotic electrolyser requires 35kWh of electricity to produce one kilogram of hydrogen by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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Isn’t hydrogen dangerous because any leak means a massive explosion? So like, transporting it through a pipe is not feasible? There’s some kind of storage issue?

Cut the BS: This startup is converting cow manure into clean-burning hydrogen fuel by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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And in the process depleting the nutrients of the soil where the cows graze ensuring the need for much more fertilizer...

'Project Napkin': Rolls-Royce and Heathrow partner to supply hydrogen to airports by Chop_Chop in Hydrogen

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