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[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for being polite. Sorry if I have been short and harsh with you. But this is a thread in which a woman in a terrible situation due to the selfish behavior of her male partner came seeking support - at a time when the whole world is applauding, centering and doting on men like her male partner whilst women like her are being told to STFU and just put the men's need to indulge their sexual fetishes first. Yet you and another male poster have tried to make the thread all about how sorry everyone should feel for MEN coz MEN have problems and issues too.

Five days ago, before you made your first post I made a post that said in part:

I find it worrying that on a thread on which the OP, a woman, has asked for support in dealing with her partner's AGP, one poster has used this as an opportunity to thump his chest and tell us how masculine and straight he is...

OP, sorry your thread has gotten derailed. I made a long post offering what I hope is support. IMO, offering support is all we posters should be doing here.

After that, you made your first post theorizing out of the thin air that the OP's partner's gaslighting, lying and utterly selfish, abusive and irresponsible behavior to her and their children was probably coz he felt stalled in his career at mid-life and was frustrated for not living up to what you called "the masculine mystique." Which only showed you have no understanding whatsoever of the the nature, etiology, manifestations and trajectory of the obsessive male sexual fetish called autogynephilia, or the damaging, often devastating impact it has on these men's female partners and children, as well as on others in their lives. And it showed you have no clue about what it's like for women to live under coercive control or with a male narcissist, either.

Worse, you recommended that the OP read

"Getting to Yes" by Roger Fisher and William Ury; it is their attempt to translate the tactics that diplomats used for managing relationships between countries into principles individuals can use in their day-to-day lives.

As if women in intimate relationships with emotionally abusive autogynephilic men just need to brush up on their diplomacy skills and adopt a more positive, collegial, accommodating attitude towards these men so they can "get to yes." When the reality is, what women like the OP need to say to the men in their lives is, NO, just no!

Now you say

I agree that I don't have a clue about women's experience; after all, I can't experience being a woman

You don't have to experience being a woman to learn about or obtain an understanding of women's experiences! You just have to listen to women. And see us. Which means stop spending all your time focusing and sympathizing exclusively on men. Or at least stop coming to forums for GC feminists and our male allies and attempting to turn the convo on a support thread for a woman dealing with toxic man into a discussion that centers men's feelings and problems.

Most of us have an awareness and understanding of the experience of people who are very different from us - not just by sex, but by age, nationality, race, religion, and so on. Coz we are curious about others. We read books about and by people different to us. We watch documentaries and movies about people in different cultures and different time periods. And coz empathy is a thing. I've never been a whaler in the 19th century, a Chinese farmer in the early 20th century, a Hobbit, a victim of the Holocaust, an astronaut, or a young boy growing up in Afghanistan under the Taliban - but coz of stories by and about such folks I feel have some understanding of their experience.

You can easily get an understanding of what women in OP's shoes are going by making use of all the informative links I included in my very first post up at the top of the thread, as well as the later one containing links to two eye-opening videos.

There are tons of "trans widows" out there who are telling their stories of how their families and own lives have been damaged by their male partners' AGP. Children of these men are starting to coming forward and tell what they've suffered too coz of their dads' selfish, exclusive focus on pursuit of their own sexual pleasure and narcissistic fantasy lives. These women and children need to listened to, given support, and encouraged to make this their theme song: https://youtu.be/ccenFp_3kq8

Again, sorry I am so sharp. But every place on the internet that women try to give and get support for issues and problems we are dealing with coz we are women gets invaded by men who try to derail and make the convo all and only about men.

[–]MaleFriedanFan 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thank you for your response! It encouraged me to re-read the OP carefully -- I am not sure, but think maybe I see where I became confused.

In the original post, OP asks a question, "Why is it that they all want to look cute, have long hair, wear makeup, and sexy feminine clothing?" I took this to be an earnest question (perhaps the other poster did as well), but after your explanation, I realize that this was a rhetorical question, and, as you pointed out, the actual purpose of the post was not to get an answer to that question but for the other purposes you outlined.

I see now that I was misunderstanding. I should have realized as this happened once in reverse, with a male friend who was trying to have a "Women, am I right?" where I did not get the drift that he wasn't really looking for help solving a problem.

I apologize for the misunderstanding.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you for your response in turn. Now that I understand you took a rhetorical question of OP's as an earnest one, I can see where you were coming from in your first post. In a classic example of "not reading the room," you seemed not to get - or perhaps read - all the posts that preceded yours, either.

I hope if you are interested in the experience of women affected by the current trend of so many heterosexual men claiming to be women - particularly when they are married, have already fathered children and have a new baby on the way - you will avail yourself of the links I shared at the start of this thread.

For more insight into why so many heterosexual men - including many married fathers - are claiming they are women and they

all want to look cute, have long hair, wear makeup, and sexy feminine clothing

I suggest reading such works as "The Man Who Would Be Queen" by J Michael Bailey, "Galileo's Middle Finger" by Alice Dreger, "Men Trapped in Men's Bodies: Narratives of Autogynephilic Trannssexualism" by Anne Lawrence (an MD sexologist who is also AGP trans; the book is available for free on Lawrence's website), Janice Raymond's seminal 1979 book, "The Transsexual Empire" (available for free at janiceraymond.com), the papers of Ray Blanchard (all available for free - check his Twitter), and the utterly misogynist recent work "Females" by Andrea Long Chu, a man who says that "sissy porn" made him trans.

Chu, another heterosexual man with AGP who now "identifies as" a lesbian, says he

transitioned for gossip and compliments, lipstick and mascara, for crying at the movies, for being someone’s girlfriend . . . for feeling hot, for getting hit on by butches, for that secret knowledge of which dykes to watch out for, for Daisy Dukes, bikini tops, and all the dresses, and, my god, for the breasts.

What's more, Chu says the defining essence of being female is

an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes”

A view that I hope you can see is profoundly offensive and insulting to those of us who actually are female.

A review of Chu's book: https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/january-2020/sissy-porn-and-trans-dirty-laundry/