Can someone here debunk these arguments that say sex is bimodal distribution and is not binary?

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[–]ColoredTwice 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gametes that body is supposed to produce are determining what primary and secondary sex characteristics there would be. Not the other way around, aka - tall woman will not start producing sperm.

[–]loveSloane 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Several people have on the other subs you asked this. Maybe clarify with those answers instead of reposting until you find an answer you like?

[–]LilianH 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The "sex is bimodal" argument conflates sex related traits (which can be bimodal) with sex (which is binary). E.g. height is bimodal and males are on average taller than females. Sex is not, a tall woman is not a male etc.

But biological sex and sexual dimorphism aren't the same thing.

So these people believe sexual dimorphism is real but don't believe biological sex is real when sexual dimorphism is the differences between the sexes of species. They sound very confused.

Meanwhile, definitionally, sex is comprised of many factors such as: chromosomes, hormones, gonads, internal reproductive anatomy, external genitalia, and secondary sex characteristics.

All of which are binary. There are only two sex chromosomes (X and Y) there are only two sex hormones and so on. And 99.98% of the population has all of these characteristics matching the norms for female or male.

A binary would also assume that everyone is either male (or disordered male), or female (or disordered female) when not every variance outside of typical male/female is disordered

Incorrect, every variance outside the norms for male and female has a difference in sex development (intersex condition). I.e. female = XX/Vagina/Ovaries and male = XY/penis/testes and the only exceptions are people with intersex conditions.

People with the same sized gametes can have biologically/medically significant differences in other aspects of their sex that aren't considered by a strict binary. Especially trans people who transition. E.g. a fully transitioned trans man has the same sized gametes as I do, and most likely XX chromosomes like I do, but every single other thing about his sex is different than mine.

Complete nonsense. No aspect of a TIF's sex is different than mine. She still has XX chromosomes, taking artificial hormones hasn't magically charged her hormones to XY. She may have had a double mastectomy, but haven't a mastectomy doesn't make someone not female. She may have had a hysterectomy, but having a hysterectomy doesn't make someone not female. So no aspect of her body has become male and no aspect of her sex is different than mine.

And of course that ultimate problem with the "sex is bimodal" is that they are arguing that there is a right and wrong way to be male/female that isn't based in biology and that some people don't meet the standard and are less male or less female than acceptable.

[–]MezozoicGay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Complete nonsense. No aspect of a TIF's sex is different than mine. She still has XX chromosomes, taking artificial hormones hasn't magically charged her hormones to XY.

And women with PCOS are not considered to be men even by transgenders themselves, while they are almost absolutely in similar (often "more manly") condition as TiF's. Only difference is that one of them is saying "I am man" and other don't.

[–]Archie 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The youtube comment is mistaken: sex is defined entirely and uniquely by gametes. That's what determines if you're male or female. This is why sex is binary. The rest are either causes (chromosomes, genes) or consequences (secondary sexual characteristics) of being of one sex, not a part of the definition of sex.

Many genetic diseases can lead to nonfunctioning reproductive organs or organs with anormal aspect: those do not define a third sex. Those diseases do not lead to a new type of gamete. In fact, most intersex are sterile. The word "intersex" would make sense as an alternative on ID cards, though. But would all of them want their disability exposed like this?

I expect TRAs to answer this "so sterile women have no sex?". Sterile women would have produced functioning ovocytes if they did not have [specific condition], so they're women. No, being of the opposite sex is not a condition.