"What's stopping men from going into women's bathrooms? do you really think people are going to bother changing their gender just to perv on women when they can do it right now? What's the difference?"

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[–]MarkTwainiac 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Also, autogynephilia is not the only paraphilia at issue here. The list of male "paraphilias" is incredibly long.

Some men get off on hearing or watching women pee; some on flashing their genitals at girls or women; some at masturbating at girls and women... and so on. Some want to place cameras in loos, change rooms and such so they can film girls and women in various stages of undress attending to our intimate bodily needs coz it gets them off - and also so they can sell and/or share the footage. None of that requires a man to have AGP.

What's more, even many HSTSs who aren't considered to have AGP still tend to fetishize the female body and some/many display an invasive, unsettling, prurient interest in prying and spying so they can see what real girls and women's bodies look like and get a sense of how real female bodies function. Some of these guys are dead set on hearing (and recording) what a real female peeing sounds like, what female urine smells (and even tastes) like, along with what real menstrual blood looks, smells and feels like - and yes, sometimes, what menstrual blood tastes like too.

Whatever hormones they're on does not alter any of this. Coz, as you say, the issue here is their brains, not their bodies. Or rather, the issue is with their minds, not their hormone levels.

[–]BEB 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As I said on another thread: I think that we should stop prefacing our remarks on the risks of letting men into women's spaces with "Transgender 'women' are not the issue." By which I mean, pretending that all TIMs are harmless.

Sure, some are harmless. But a whole huge % of them are not, and in order for us to win our spaces back we need to be absolutely clear with politicians and the general public what the dangers are, as detailed in Mark Twainiac's post above.

[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I agree. I don't want any of these persons in our spaces. And it's not just a matter of safety, it's about women & girls not having to be undressed or deal with our intimate bodily needs in close proximity, view, earshot or sniffing distance of anyone male - especially not male strangers, but also male relatives, friends, workmates, neighbors, acquaintances and so on.

Those of us who've been luckier in life know and have met tons of male people who are lovely, wouldn't hurt a fly and aren't at all pervy or predatory. Some of us married such guys and have gestated, birthed and raised a few. But still, none of us wants any girl or woman to have to change clothes, shower, urinate, defecate, change pads or tampons, wash blood off hands, deal with stains on clothing from periods, menopausal flooding or breasts leaking milk, etc in front of their own or our own brothers, fathers, uncles, sons, husbands, FILs, or their own or our own male schoolmates, workmates, friends, neighbors, acquaintances, physicians, dentists, attorneys and so on.

And it goes the other way too: I don't think my sons, male friends, FIL etc should have to pee, shower, get changed etc with girls and women looking on. And they don't want to have to do this either. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

[–]WrongToy 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

When I was reproductive, I expected fully to attend to my own routine feminine hygiene by myself, or two times in my life asking a female coworker if they knew where the tampax was. Males have no business being involved unless invited to be via emergency. All males.

I'm not giving you fisheye because i'm not seeing you, males. I'm trying to get out of the bathroom before I have to get my SO in there to deal wth it, which he certainly would, and which wouldn't be ideal.