"What's stopping men from going into women's bathrooms? do you really think people are going to bother changing their gender just to perv on women when they can do it right now? What's the difference?"

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[–]MarkTwainiac 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I agree. I don't want any of these persons in our spaces. And it's not just a matter of safety, it's about women & girls not having to be undressed or deal with our intimate bodily needs in close proximity, view, earshot or sniffing distance of anyone male - especially not male strangers, but also male relatives, friends, workmates, neighbors, acquaintances and so on.

Those of us who've been luckier in life know and have met tons of male people who are lovely, wouldn't hurt a fly and aren't at all pervy or predatory. Some of us married such guys and have gestated, birthed and raised a few. But still, none of us wants any girl or woman to have to change clothes, shower, urinate, defecate, change pads or tampons, wash blood off hands, deal with stains on clothing from periods, menopausal flooding or breasts leaking milk, etc in front of their own or our own brothers, fathers, uncles, sons, husbands, FILs, or their own or our own male schoolmates, workmates, friends, neighbors, acquaintances, physicians, dentists, attorneys and so on.

And it goes the other way too: I don't think my sons, male friends, FIL etc should have to pee, shower, get changed etc with girls and women looking on. And they don't want to have to do this either. Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

[–]BEB 8 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

We should never have given them the toilets (I personally didn't) because that allowed them to normalize their presence in spaces where women were partially-clothed or otherwise vulnerable.

To women who say that having TIMs in the bathroom doesn't bother them, I always say, "If you're not bothered by a male in the bathroom, go in the men's rooms. Consent is not transferable."

I love to throw Lib Fem jargon in there to make their heads spin, like: It is not OK for men to COLONIZE our spaces and the language used to describe us, nor for men to APPROPRIATE our biology and our oppression.

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We didn't give them the toilets. They just barged in and took 'em. The people who gave them permission to do so were the sexologists and therapists like Ray Blanchard who told these men to go "live as women" for a couple of years, then they could get approved for surgeries. But neither Blanchard nor any of the other male psychologists, psychiatrists, surgeons, hormone doctors etc ever bothered to consult any women about it. The idea of asking women if we were okay with having men invade our spaces never occurred to any of them.

[–]WrongToy 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

When I was reproductive, I expected fully to attend to my own routine feminine hygiene by myself, or two times in my life asking a female coworker if they knew where the tampax was. Males have no business being involved unless invited to be via emergency. All males.

I'm not giving you fisheye because i'm not seeing you, males. I'm trying to get out of the bathroom before I have to get my SO in there to deal wth it, which he certainly would, and which wouldn't be ideal.