Riddle me this - where are all the women in their 40's and 50's who suddenly become trans?

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[–]BEB 23 insightful - 7 fun23 insightful - 6 fun24 insightful - 7 fun -  (13 children)

All on this sub! We are not women with our TERF bangs, grey hair and sensible shoes - we are self-hating transmen. JK!

To be fair: women in the West have been wearing trousers and "asexual" clothing for decades now, so we don't need to get our jollies out of wearing men's underwear under our sundresses.

[–]lefterfield 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Yeah, but why do men need to wear women's clothes? It's not like women wore dresses for the sexual thrill of it. They did it partly for fashion, mostly for it being the only socially acceptable clothing for women to wear in public. Once women could wear jeans and t-shirts instead, most of them have.

[–]MarkTwainiac 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Men wear women's clothes because it's sexually arousing to them. Women don't get sexually aroused by wearing traditionally masculine/male-type clothing because female sexuality is fundamentally different to male sexuality in myriad ways. Cross-dressing for erotic pleasure and autogynephilia, just like voyeurism, flashing, menstrual fetishes, are paraphilias (or what used to be called perversions); and with very rare exceptions, paraphilias are deviant sexual proclivities of males.

[–]oofreesouloo 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It exists the female version - autoandrophilia. But I have a strong feeling it's much rarer to occur in females than males. At least it's the impression I've got. Or at least they aren't so "invasive" and inappropriate and are discreet, I don't know.

[–]lefterfield 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Right, I know all that. Is the source of it testosterone, "male brain", socialization, or something else?

[–]MarkTwainiac 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think it's due to the way evolution has arranged male sexuality. Male gametes across species are inherently penetrative and piercing; and mammalian and human male genital anatomy have evolved to facilitate and emphasize the delivery of male gametes into the female repro tract via the penis as much as the production of male gametes in the testicles.

Human male sexual impulses are also incredibly overwhelming to most boys' and men's bodies and psyches. Pubescent boys have involuntary erections and ejaculations all the time, even in their sleep and in situations when they really don't want to have them (such as around their moms and grans). Adolescent and young adult males are consumed by thoughts/reveries about sex all the time, often against their conscious will - and everything and anything can be arousing to them. I think of this as the male curse.

[–]florasis 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's testosterone. Before ovulation testosterone increases in women and I can feel the clitoris bothering me with sexual desire and me being more horny than normal. Now men have tons more testosterone than women all the time, of course they're sluts lol

[–]just_lesbian_things 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I think of this as the male curse.

Would castration be a viable solution for their liberation? 🤔🤔🤔

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chemical castration hasn't worked out so well when tried on male sex offenders, or on promiscuous gay men.

Surgical castration of human males has been done through history for various reasons: to turn them into dutiful court eunuchs in ancient imperial China; to benefit the art of Italian/European opera in the case of the castrati; to make enslaved males "safe" & "docile" in the case of the millions of black African men who were castrated when taken into captivity over the long history of Arab & Ottoman Empire slavery...

I suspect castration of males "for their liberation" be akin to lobotomizing strong-willed mentally ill and intellectually disabled people to "cure" them of their difficult, challenging personalities, as in the cases of Frances Farmer and Rose Kennedy. A human rights violation.

I'd hope education and "sensitivity training" of male people to help them develop empathy and control of their baser impulses would be a better way.

[–]BEB 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think people should wear whatever they want to wear that isn't indecent. Yes, I am a prude.

If the sexual frisson was taken out of men wearing women's clothes, then maybe the AGPs would disappear (dressing as a woman won't be thrilling if any man can do it in public without anyone batting an eye) and women can have our sex-segregated spaces back.

[–]lefterfield 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Maybe. My question is more why it exists at all, when it doesn't exist for women wearing their own clothes. This seems to be a fundamental difference between men and women's sexuality.

[–]oofreesouloo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I already stated here in another comment, but in case you haven't seen it, it exists the female version - autoandrophilia. But it seems it doesn't occur near as much as AGP in males.

[–]lefterfield 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Almost unheard of and as I recall the researcher who studied AGP wasn't certain if it was a real phenomenon.

[–]yousaythosethings 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was a post in / s/Lesbians recently that had strong undertones of autoandrophilia. It was fascinating.