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[–]our_team_is_winning 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

<After coming out as trans non-binary >

"trans" means across, like Trans-Atlantic, transfer from one bus to another, translate from one language to another. How does one "trans" from one to another if there is no binary? I digress.

<Now, Paeton and their son> When you're still trying to master singular and plural pronouns, how could you conquer a Latin prefix like trans....

<“I always thought I was gay because whenever I tried to be myself, I was subjected to quite unpleasant homophobic and transphobic abuse.>

Um, you thought you were gay because of abuse from others? See, I'd think being attracted to the same sex would be the clue.

<“It’s for all people who feel that they’re not included in society because of their gender identity or sexual orientation.>

Because it's not like you've had a job, a marriage, a kid, a home, a car, neighbors etc. all this time. Not like you went to school, had friends, watched TV, went shopping, voted, joined a gym, etc. and were just as much a part of society as anyone else. You know who isn't included in society? The homeless. The mentally ill. Those in dire poverty. The severely handicapped. Those shut away in care homes.

[–]anonymale 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

A couple of great comments, from the same person:

I think it [“non-binary”] refers to what you feel yourself to be, because how you feel doesn't alter the sex that you are.

And:

Why should you think you were gay because of what other people say to you? Whether you're gay or not depends on the sex of the people you fall in love with. I suppose if people keep on saying to say, "You're gay, you're gay," you might wonder about that and test yourself, but the crucial thing, the thing that settles it, is the direction of your attraction.

Would it not be helpful if the powers-that-be (for the 'LGBT' initialism does seem to have got itself established in the public sphere, so that even Westminster puts out a report on 'LGBT Health Needs') stopped treating being gay and being trans as though they were sort of basically the same? That might enable people like Paeton to understand themselves more readily.

[–]Marsupial 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How can you be transgender AND non-binary? Transgender is when you identify as the opposite sex. If he is non-binary he clearly does not identify as the opposite sex. What makes this middle-aged man not a man? He clearly looks like one. If this is his "butterfly phase" is a really fucking weak one. Looks like he bloomed from a dull middle-aged man to a dull middle-aged man in a pink shirt.

[–]Apricot_Ibex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He thought he was gay because he didn’t conform to male gender role stereotypes, I gather? But being gay is about feeling attraction to the same sex, not about adhering (or not adhering) to certain gender roles. “Trans non-binary” is the biggest bullshit mindfuck....it means literally nothing as it is an automatic negation of its own flawed concept. He’s just a dude who’s apparently unique in some ways.

It’s not okay if he was bullied for being gender noncomforming when he was younger, but the right response would have been to shrug off other people’s stupid comments or seek therapy and deeper self-acceptance. This is a horrible example for his sons. Dad liked baking cookies and the color pink, so he’s now called “they” and has a new name. I totally agree, he needs therapy for his midlife crisis, not to subject his sons to this.