I've been just permanently banned from r/feminism for saying that in humans sex is a binary, and that intersex people aren still either male or female. I'm a biologist.

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[–]fuckupaddams 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

I'm starting to believe womenhatewomen too. All the hate I've received and have seen when it comes to criticizing gender theory especially from a feminist lens has been from women.

[–]meranii 28 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 0 fun29 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A bunch of the mods of women's subs on reddit (the few that are left) are transwomen and the rest are men and handmaidens, spineless and afraid of being banned themselves. I don't doubt at all that lots of real women think they do good by shaming other women for not buying what the TRAs are selling, but online anyone can identify as anything, and with how many AGPs are into roleplaying as women... or do you mean irl?

[–]Marsupial 25 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 0 fun26 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The people on r/feminism aren't feminist women, just like the people on r/actuallesbians aren't actual lesbians and TwoX hasn't been for women since they made it a default sub. All female subs on Reddit are heavily infiltrated by men.

[–]Cexsco 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

GC too btw. I've seen places like T_D and some far right subs (prior to getting banned) talking about how they have GC alts where they try to "redpill" women.

[–]AugustiJade 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women do hate other women as well, especially in very male-dominated spaces. I work in a very male-dominated field, and the few other women I work with are always trying to prove themselves to the men, so they are very vicious towards other women. I hate it! I imagine this is a similar story with the handmaidens on Reddit.

[–]BioFem[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This is true, I've seen in "progressive" and "feminist" subs women being vicious towards "terfs" and even "swerfs", saying horrible things, completely missing the point and without even trying to listen to what radfems are saying. I didn't even mention trans people in my comment, I don't see how they are relevant while talking about intersexuality, because being trans has nothing to do with being intersex. I'm extremely frustated because of the "sex spectrum" thing that many scientists are claiming. It's obvious that they are saying that to defend that "biological sex" is a blurry and meaningless term because it's "so difficult to classify someone as male or female", like if the exception was the norm. If they consider biological sex irrelevant and blurry, it's obvious that "gender identity" should be the relevant thing. This complety ignores sexual attraction, the opression of women as deeply tied to our reproductive capacity and the medical implications of our sex. It's true that being cultural animals, culture and society are necesssary for us, but after all, we are still animals, and we are still subjected to biology. These people seem to think that somehow we have already trascend our status as mammals or something. You don't hear anyone saying that biological sex in chimps is very difficult to determine and that it's on a spectrum.

Also, the fact that they always bring up snails and clownfishes to prove how sex is not a binary... Shocking news, but humans aren't clownfishes.

[–]SanityIsGC 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

I'm extremely frustated because of the "sex spectrum" thing that many scientists are claiming. It's obvious that they are saying that to defend that "biological sex" is a blurry and meaningless term

More shock to my system hearing that there is a contingent of scientists who buy into this cultic belief and this is a cult,no evidence just revealed "truth". And it is significant that no one says the sex of chimps is hard to determine.

Come to think of it maybe transgenderism should be referred to as the Church of Transology

[–]BEB 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Love the "Church of Transology" - let's make this meme happen!

[–]SanityIsGC 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Just thought of that at the spur of the moment but have been thinking for sometime that transgenderism should be framed as a religious movement, understood as a religious movement and tackled as a dangerous cult - one as dangerous as Scientology, NXIVM and many others.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great thinking!

Church of Transology needs to become a meme and I hope that you get full credit.

[–]Skipdip 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I find it interesting that you are ok with transwomen and men being considered women and men. On the surface I agree with your premise, especially since you don’t base it on the erasure of sex... but I think there must be lines drawn. I do feel like transsexuals have a much better justification for being socially considered women. But ultimately shouldn’t we actually just base things on sex and let go of gender? You think transwomen who are males should be able to enter all women’s spaces? I don’t know I think it is a slippery slope saying transwomen are women. Women means adult human female, and if you say transwomen are women you have to change the definition. I’m all for supporting gender nonconforming people. I am one. But I think it’s really dangerous to change definitions of words to suit people’s feelings.

[–]Immortallogic 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most women are unfortunately either too male identified, or too empathetic and caring and think that by accepting trans identified males they are doing the right thing.