Am I the only one who *kind of* believes in transsexualism as a valid thing?

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[–]Shesstealthy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Fa'fafine is a recognised gender. A fa'fafine is male but lives "in the manner of a woman". They are not a woman in their culture. They're not a man though their maleness is acknowledged. They are a fa'fafine. There's nothing wrong with acknowedging culturally inscribed gender identity. It's when we pretend that sex is fake that we have a problem.

[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The fa'fafine also compete in male sports and do not try to invade or insinuate themselves into female spaces and programs.

[–]Shesstealthy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yea exactly. They are not women.

[–]slushpilot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

As far as I can tell, we're still at two. "in the manner of a woman" just means feminine, and "in the manner of a man" means masculine. There is nothing new or "third" here. It actually sounds fundamentally sexist.

Whether we agree that wearing a dress and cooking are the domain of women is the more interesting question.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

LOL, what's with this idea that cooking is the domain of women? Most/nearly all the greatest and most acclaimed chefs in various countries and cultures have been men, not women.

Amongst the people I know from my generation (Boomer) who grew up in the USA, UK, Europe and parts of East Asia, the guys were/are much more likely to be into cooking and the culinary arts than the women. I (born 1955) have never had any interest in cooking, and I frankly suck at anything beyond grilled cheese, oatmeal and toast - but the majority of my boyfriends were into and quite skilled at cooking, as was the man I finally chose to marry.

[–]slushpilot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Haha, I think cooking got in my head as an example because I was referencing the Wikipedia article that mentioned Cook Islands. It did specifically mention dress, though so I got that part right. (I was making a point about gendered expectations more generally... and those home duties like cooking do most often fall on mothers.)