depending on where you look, anywhere from 0.4% to 85% of transfolk detransition; many TRAs claim it is such a small number that it should not really be discussed ... yet transfolk make up 0.4% - 1.7% of the human population and expect all language and space be changed to suit them. LIKE WHAT?!?!

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[–]GConly 40 insightful - 2 fun40 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Don't confuse desist with detransition. Not the same thing.

Desistance is when kids grow out of gender dysphoria.

Detransition is when adults who used medical interventions to look like the opposite sex stop the hormones and start presenting as their actual sex again.

Desistance is typically about 85% in the old research looking at the kids who presented with GD prior to 2015. We've no idea what it's going to be in ROGD girls . I'm guessing closer to 100%. There's been no research at all.

The current ROGD wave is rather fudging the difference between them, as they aren't being given time to see if they desist before they are transitioning. 15 year olds with mastectomies...

Adult regret and detrans is unclear as hell because the research only looks at SRS cases and has massive issues with failing to keep track of post op patients and time frame of the studies.

Next time you argue with a TRA be sure to pick them up for subbing post op detrans data for children's desistance rates. They do it all the time.

[–]worried19 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

13 year olds with mastectomies.

Olson had 68 surgically diminished girls fill out her “novel” scale (which she acknowledged could be bogus) between one and five years after their surgery. Thirty-three of these girls were under 18 at the time of surgery. Two were only 13 years old, and five were only 14.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/09/12/u-s-doctors-performing-double-mastectomies-healthy-13-year-old-girls

The vocal activists always claim this doesn't happen, but there is very clear evidence to the contrary.

[–]worried19 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

More on this doctor:

Younger’s lawyer, Logan Odeneal, asked Olson-Kennedy whether it is safe or ethical to remove healthy breast tissue from adolescent girls as young as 13, as has been recommended at her clinic.

Odeneal: Well, if you remove the breasts from a young woman, she will never be able to lactate or to breastfeed an infant; is that correct?

Olson-Kennedy: Well, I, I don’t advocate removal for breast tissue from young women. I advocate for chest reconstruction in young men.

Odeneal: Well haven’t you referred girls to have the chest surgery from your clinic?

Olson-Kennedy: They’re, they’re, they’re not girls. They’re not girls. They don’t identify as girls. So I have referred people who identify as transmasculine or as boys or young men for surgery, yes.

Odeneal: But do their birth certificates identify them as girls?

Olson-Kennedy: Sometimes, and sometimes they’ve had their gender marker changed on their birth certificate.

Odeneal: How many patients have you referred for the chest surgery?

Olson-Kennedy: Probably about 200.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2019/12/09/the-tragedy-of-the-trans-child

Why is the mainstream media not reporting on this? It's a fucking tragedy what is happening to these children.

[–]sudd3nclar1ty 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I never considered that trans medicalization went this far. Ty for sharing these horrifying perspectives. I find this doctor's attitude and financial stake in mutilation deeply troubling.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's crazy. This particular doctor has apparently put an 8 year on testosterone. Not blockers, testosterone.

She's a pediatrician specializing in transitioning minors, and her FTM spouse is an affirmative gender therapist. They are both heavily personally and professionally invested in the medicalization of GNC children.

Where is the public outcry?

[–]lunarenergy8[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

From what I have read, to even question this is to be deemed transphobic, so people are scared to speak up, to denounce anything, as it can lead to loss of employment and other social repercussions and threats. Which is messed up

[–]worried19 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's fucked up because the general public doesn't know. If they knew, they would care. What person in their right mind is okay with children that young being medicalized? I guess our only hope is to persuade mainstream journalists to do investigative reporting. This is happening in the UK already. It should be possible to make it happen here.