Peak Peak: TRAs sabotage their supporters

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[–]ekitten 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

They tell people not to read gender critical feminists arguments in case it converts them, lol.

I actually feel saying that they hand wave it away as women being drama queens is being very generous. I've always seen them accuse women of being disgusting TERFs and become vitriolic, or at best accuse us of "fear-mongering".

An infuriating thing about the TIMs in women's sports debate is a lot of headlines frame it as if we're calling for trans people to be banned from sports. No one is saying that! We're just saying trans people should compete with their biological sex – we are saying trans males shouldn't be able to compete in female categories, not that trans males should also be banned from male categories. Jeez.

Yeah I've noticed they often compare trying to keep transwomen from women's bathrooms to racial segregation and homophobia (keeping black women and lesbians from the women's restrooms). Except they are the ones being racist and homophobic by comparing black women and lesbians to males.

Their arguments ALWAYS fall apart because they're illogical and bigoted.

[–]Yayme 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah I've noticed they often compare trying to keep transwomen from women's bathrooms to racial segregation

They do this specifically because racial segregation is such a huge stain on America's history. But they're ignoring that racial segregation included swimming pools, libraries, schools, buses, lunch counters, drinking fountains, AND bathrooms.

And not only were the facilities for black people were far inferior to the white bathrooms, they were also not very many of them. They intentionally had a limited number of bathrooms for black people, to keep them away from town. If you can't pee while you travel, then you pretty much can't travel. Also, black men and black women had to share the same bathroom.

Everything about racial segregation was designed to make black people feel inferior to white people. Not letting TIMS in women's bathrooms is not to "make them feel inferior." There is a bathroom right next door to the women's bathroom that is just as well designed as the women's and is perfectly usable. They're not being asked to hold it in for hours and hours in order to limit their travel and keep them out of public spaces. They're just being asked to use the sex-appropriate bathroom.

To say that it's discrimination would mean that ALL men are being discriminated against - that we are supplying them with inferior bathrooms intentionally, to make sure they know their place.

It's such a dishonest argument to compare it to racial segregation.

[–]Realwoman 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yep, race is also very subjective and not a scientific category. It's a huge generalization of people of common ancestry but what is considered white in America has changed and it Alsop varies around the world. "Mixed race" people also exist and they're just regular people, not a disorder. How do you classify them, in the US the rule was even one black ancestor, and it means you're black but what if that ancestor was 5 generations ago? In South Africa, mixed people are called coloured, and in America, they're black.

Sex, on the other hand, is a scientific term, it applies to all of the human race, actually all mammals, it's easy to define and the few cases where there might be confusion, are medical disorders. Sexes are different in very specific ways and those differences are universal among all cultures.

[–]crodish 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There's also the reverse uno of "oh, so you WANT trans men like Buck Angel to use the women's restroom! And trans men to compete in women's sports! Aha, gotcha! Stupid terfs!" like fucking - the whole thing about sports regulation and doping is that as long as you took stuff your body wasn't already producing on its own, it isn't fair.

The whole toilet situation is messy and annoying because then it falls on gatekeeping how people "pass" in general, even if common sense tells you if you don't look like the sex you're trying to emulate, don't go in there. Just... we had no issues before any tom dick and harry started calling themselves women and started demanding our spaces. Can we go back ten years