Trans women face potential women’s rugby ban over safety concerns

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[–]wicklesnarf 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (7 children)

Comments from the thread on r/transgender. They're claiming this is anti-science.

Also, last time I checked, the 'latest science' was very much on the side of trans inclusion and how someone identifies, not on biological sex.

It sounds like junk science dressed up as science. We can call it the science of convenience.

Surprise, Guardian at it again with rubbing their quack science bollocks in our faces. It's all out bigotry.

Yeah that sounds like some serious junk science... is it peer reviewed? What’s their methodology?

On why someone asking about skeletal structure is being downvoted:

skeletal structure has long been used to support bogus and transphobic claims.

Also, anthropology has actually changed a lot and now anthropologists say that they can't tell the difference between men and women skeletons anymore

There are no transwomen with a skeletal structure that cannot be found in a cis woman (somewhere)

It's cracking me up they're using the fact that they as individuals are out of shape to say transwomen are more delicate than women:

my stepdaughter is 6 inches shorter, weighs 30 pounds less, but is stronger than I am

I need scissors to open packages I used to be able to tear open. I've struggled opening jars.

Meanwhile here I am never having been able to do a single pull-up in my life.

There's also a lot of personal anecdotes and some studies posted about decreased performance after transitioning...and they're all about running speed.

They compare transwomen's natural advantages to the natural athletic advantages of black people (?) to try to poke holes:

By these standards we should also ban black people from sports.

Pretty sure anyone playing against Shaq had a 20-30% higher risk of injury. We should have banned Shaq. His genes were unfair.

[–]Aquadog 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

A lot of people are pulling the height card. "I've read a lot of studies on how men are stronger due to a height advantage, but I'd be curious to see what it would be with people of the same height."

Yes, height is the ONLY possible advantage.

[–]LasagnaRossa 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Someone has missed many anatomy classes. I guess they don't know men and women have a different fat distribution and muscle percentage.

But nooo, the sex is all in your head, sure.

[–]luckystar 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

skeletal structure has long been used to support bogus and transphobic claims.

"Your doctor is a TERF"

[–]EnnuiOz 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

FFS, here is that opening jars argument again. My hands are so small that I can't even reach an octave on a piano which also means that I can't get a good grip on large jars. This has nothing to do with strength and everything to do with hand size....and, I can open that jar of gherkins. I turn it upside down, use a butter knife to 'pop' the seals and then turn it up the right way and bingo!

Maybe when TIMs talk about being weak they are actually just referring to being feeble minded.

E: Just to add 'even anthropologists can't tell the difference'. Bullshit, just bullshit. I studied Anthropology for a while as an undergrad and the female pelvic structure is obviously visibly different to the males. This argument sounds just like the 'even gynos can't tell the difference' bullshit.

[–]kwallio 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course they're racist. WTF. Also basketball is in theory anyway a non-contact sport. You're not supposed to tackle people in basketball.

[–]ladyreason 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen those. Such eyeroll.

Dude. The fact that you, personally, are a badly out of shape unusually short overweight weakling of a biological male does not mean that your average transwoman would-be professional women's sports playing athlete is.

[–]bellatrixbells 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Also, anthropology has actually changed a lot and now anthropologists say that they can't tell the difference between men and women skeletons anymore" Well, given that they're saying males can be women and females can be men it kind of makes sense that science couldn't tell, but isn't that like a textbook definition of a circular reasoning ? "There are no transwomen with a skeletal structure that cannot be found in a cis woman (somewhere)" "Somewhere" as in like this one woman in that village by the Rockies ?

As for the rest, wow. Your comments are on point too.