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[–]censorshipment 21 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 4 fun -  (32 children)

Wrencer4Endgame? Aren't you a TRA yourself? You believe "trans women are women" and that "trans women can have vaginas too". You also said "fuck terfs for making trans ppl feel unwelcome".

FUCK CENSORSHIP - https://www.reddit.com/r/u_Wrencer4Endgame/comments/hqc9xa/fuck_censorship/

[–]iMeMiss 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (14 children)

Nice catch!

[–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Yeah, let's rejoice such methods are used here 🙄 thought this community was above TRA's childish digging up

[–]censorshipment 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't go through your profile. I used Reddit search to find posts mentioning "terf(s)". There aren't many mentions these days now that the cheering has died down. Also, we visit the same subs such as LesbianActually and ActuallyLesbian.

[–]DogeWalker 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Nobody forced you to register with the same username you used on reddit...

[–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That doesn't make it okay to link it lol

[–]DogeWalker 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Seems it would have been impossible to link under a different name, tho...

[–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I just dislike this sort of attitude. Feel free to agree with those sorts of methods. But those are exactly why I left reddit, it doesn't sit right with me, and I have a right to complain. If your Instagram username was the same as your Saidit's username, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like me to link it lol

[–]DogeWalker 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

How is choosing not to re-use the same usernames on every site an attitude?

I'm sorry you were offended, but I thought I was pointing out something common sense. Good luck to you in the future!

[–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I was obviously talking about the "linking to someone's profile on other platforms" attitude.

[–]DogeWalker 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

And I was obviously mentioning one practical way to avoid those tactics, no matter which side they come from.

[–]Irascible-harpy 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

"How dare you use the things I said against me?"

....seriously?

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

This person contradicts him/her/itself.

[–]censorshipment 7 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 4 fun8 insightful - 5 fun -  (1 child)

Lol yep, a "tragic bisexual" is what I tagged her ass. No offense to bisexual women! I love her anti-censorship stance, but she supports everyone which means she supports no one.

[–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You say you like me, but it's really tough love then 😂😂

[–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Her. And not really lol. I'm just in between opinions and I'm not the only one

[–]Wrencer 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Nah, I support most trans ppl but I was never a "TRA" and I'm allowed to criticize some parts of the trans movement I disagree with. There are nuances in this whole debate lol I don't agree with some stuff on here either, but some threads are interesting, and I like knowing the 2 sides of the debate. My sub got banned for "transphobia" btw. I thought GC spaces allowed debates and slightly dissenting opinions, unlike regular feminist spaces. At least it was like that on r/truebisexuals. Also, kinda funny you of all ppl attacked me, since you were often participating on my sub. Did I disagree with most of the opinions you posted ? Yes. Did I ever censor you for having such opinions ? No. Going through my post history is kinda a TRA's thing to do btw, and I'm a bit disappointed by you tbh, thought you were kind and tolerant of other points of view. You know damn well that I'm "moderate" on the trans question. Why do you think I was on r/uncensoredLGBT ? Because my criticizing of trans ppl among other opinions on some of my posts got me banned from most spaces. I don't criticize ppl on here's opinions, but I'm allowed to participate in threads I found interesting without being totally on board with the majority. Am I still allowed to have nuances in my opinions, or do you want this to turn into a reverse TRA echo chamber?

[–]censorshipment 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

I was searching for all new posts with the acronym "terf" mentioned and saw your post. There was also a LesbianActually post slandering "terfs" which you were participating in. I was surprised to see you here talking about TRAs when you're one yourself, although you don't agree with everything they say. You remind me of Buck Angel who is accused of being a transphobe/terf but fully believes TWAW and TMAM. I'm not saying you shouldn't be here... as I said on Reddit, I like you and supported you being the new mod of uncensoredLGBT, even though I was new there as a refugee. Just surprised that you call us "terfs" and believe we should share spaces with "trans women" (since you believe they are women).

[–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

The fact is that this whole situation is way more complicated than "trans women are women therefore they should be considered the same as cis women and share every space with them" (and I thought you agree with that, since you were on r/uncensoredLGBT). I used to think that, then I decided to listen to some GC girls I talk with on reddit, and there are some issues cis women need to stand for. In my comments on LesbianActually, you can see that I'm fighting the users who say that "not dating trans women is transphobic". I'm also against pushing gender non conforming ppl to transition, and to guilt lesbians into liking "girldick". I also think that some trans women have a very misogynistic vision of womanhood. As you can see on my posts on r/truebisexuals, which don't make me very popular among TRA. I like you and your comments on r/uncensoredLGBT always made me laugh, and I value your opinion as an older feminist and LGBT woman, but tbh GC isn't only about criticizing trans ppl. There are posts on here about marriage, gender stereotypes, ... I can support trans ppl and still be against gender stereotypes and in favor of cis women to have their own spaces sometimes. I didn't agree with drop the T, right wing LGBT, true lesbians and all that stuff, but I deplore any censorship. Reddit is deeply misogynistic

I agree with Buck Angel on most points, but I don't consider myself a TRA, but a feminist and LGBT and pro LGBT woman. Do you really think I'm allowed on r/lgbt, r/bisexual and all that stuff after I posted some of my controversial opinions (not even about trans ppl)?

I will not use the term "terf" in the future tho, and I'm sorry if it hurt you or anyone on here, even if I don't consider that being a trans rights activist or a trans exclusionary radical feminist are bad things. I respect radfems and some of them are entitled to exclude trans women from their vision of feminism if they want to imo.

Also, if there are no ppl like me there is no point in having a GCdebateQT sub lmao. Considering that I got upvoted, I'm probably not the only "terfy TRA" here

[–]DogeWalker 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Also, if there are no ppl like me there is no point in having a GCdebateQT sub lmao.

This post is on the "main" GC saidit, s/GCdebatesQT is that way

[–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm literally the OP of this thread. How is my post a "debate" one ? I was just trying to tell ppl on here that a radfem sub is targeted by AHS. How is my opinion on other stuff relevant here ? It's not like I have an hidden agenda and have posted "debatable" stuff on this sub anyway. Would you like me to post a link to a comment you made on another platform, and discredit your opinion on other issues for it? These are literally the extreme TRA you dislike that much methods btw. No nuanced opinions allowed

[–]DogeWalker 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I didn't call your post a debate post, and I didn't mention any of that other stuff. I certainly didn't mention a "hidden agenda."

You talked about the importance of opinions and specifically mentioned the debate sub, so I pointed out there is a version here. That's all.

Would you like me to post a link to a comment you made on another platform, and discredit your opinion on other issues for it?

You can try if that's what you want to do.

[–]Wrencer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm aware of the debate sub, I've already joined it, but thanks for reminding me about it.

I won't because it's not my thing to do that. I would have preferred censorshipment to DM me about it if she was upset with my post, since I know her from my sub and thought she didn't like those kinds of methods either. I interact with ppl about the comment they just posted, I engage with the comment, not with the person's post history. I don't have the time nor interest to dig up the post history of every user I interact with online. Those remind me of actuallesbians's methods, which are frowned upon when it's done by TRA, but apparently okay for some if it's a GC member...

[–]DogeWalker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's between you and censorshipment. I was only trying to get the debate sub onto more peoples' radar. (Not saying you specifically didn't know about it! Just that the comment could be viewed by others who might not be fully aware.)