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[–]Nonime 69 insightful - 2 fun69 insightful - 1 fun70 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

This is how the left will push people to the right, by being the cancel-police censorship side. It's literally the extreme end pushing people out. God damnit. This helps no one.

[–][deleted] 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

The left has turned full authoritarian.

[–]astroTERF 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they slid so far left they are alt right and dont even know it

[–]hufflepuff-poet 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think that's a bit much, the right irl is pushing the country towards an actual authoritarian state w their continued enabling of Trump and his dismantling the rule of law in the US and his awful handling of the coronavirus. Reddit is just trying to virtue signal to their corporate advertisers not actual leftists.

[–]OrneryStruggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The people handling the US like an authoritarian state re: Coronavirus are almost all Democratic governors, unfortunately. Despite repeated baiting Trump has basically done nothing and let states handle both COVID and the BLM protests/riots themselves, which is kind of inconvenient for the leftist "Trump is a fascist!" narrative.

I think Trump is a massive embarrassment for America but I'm honestly kind of impressed with how he has let Democratic politicians hang themselves this time.

[–]Archie 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

No. Reddit admins and teenagers on the internet are a different entity from "the left" as a whole. Dare to call Sanders, or even Biden (who is at the very least center-left), an authoritarian. There's a major disconnect between what you see on reddit and the real world.

This is why so many people on reddit weren't able to understand how biden could win the primaries when they knew nobody who supported him, btw.

[–]OrneryStruggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

How is Biden center-left? In what universe?

By my country's standards he's farther right than our right wing party.

[–]Archie 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'm French, so you understand where I'm coming from.

Biden wants to double up minimum wage and increase the income tax for top brackets. This alone puts him on the left of center.

You're going to talk about healthcare and college: he's aiming to drastically increase public spending in those two, even if it's not going to cover everything. It notably includes free college for households with less than $120k/year of income. If our current fully free of access systems weren't already in place, believe me that our right wing wouldn't do anything close to that.

[–]OrneryStruggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Biden might be to the left of Republican party (barely - his voting history is pretty much in line with current Republican values) but there is really nothing 'left wing' about free education for poor kids with good grades as it is the norm in numerous countries which have right wing governments and are considered generally right wing. The US is the only country in the entire world with anywhere close to that extent of wildly unaffordable college tuition.

Moreover he might pay lip service to some of the popular 'left' causes right now, because he's in a primary, but his voting record says otherwise. Again, taxes for the top brackets are already about the lowest in history by tens of percent, with many Republican governments of the past implementing much higher tax brackets. Tax loopholes now make upper bracket taxes basically unpayable and as he's said nothing about closing those loopholes I'm assuming the rich won't get taxed less under him anyway.

[–]Archie 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

there is really nothing 'left wing' about free education for poor kids with good grades

There is no grades requirement in "free college for households with $120k/year"

Yes the US system is a right wing dystopia - bringing it more in line with leftist systems overseas is inherently a leftist move. One that none of our french politicians not on the left wing would make.

[–]OrneryStruggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The grades/admission requirements for colleges has always existed and would continue to exist if it were free or much cheaper. That's how it works in the rest of the world. No one said they will create more college places, people just won't compete for them financially.

Isn't university in France actually free for everyone?

[–]Archie 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It is free (almost, about 20€ for a bachelor's year and 400€ for a master's degree). There is no grade requirement to enter too. Everyone who has our end of high school diploma (the Baccalauréat) can go.

However, this system exists for historical reasons. If it didn't already and wasn't extremely popular, only the most leftist politicians would attempt to create something similar.

[–]OrneryStruggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hmm. Where I live there are very strict grade requirements for university programs, university is very affordable (not completely free but a tiny fraction of the cost of US universities), and this is not considered leftist. The country I come from, which has had right wing governments consistently for a long time and is considered very far right of Western countries generally, also has "free" university.

[–]JoeDzhugashvili 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Transgenderism has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism, don’t pin the actions of liberals and radlibs on us. Guess what, Reddit just banned all the biggest leftist subs to begin with, sure, the Left has stupidly capitulated to trans nonsense, but Reddit is a neoliberal shithole.

“Leftism” isn’t the same as being a woke corporate tool

[–]OrneryStruggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unfortunately it has a lot to do with the college students who are currently calling themselves 'Marxists' even if it has nothing actually to do with the works of Marx. I know a lot of people who call themselves Marxist-Leninists or whatever but are actually upper middle class corporatist shills lmao.

[–]Alma_Esmeraude 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The authoritarian left is already making life difficult for dissenting leftists and moderates. But left-right politics is cyclical and swings like a pendulum. Eventually the censorship and de-platforming tactics they've perfected will be adopted by the far-right in response to their overreach. This is not healthy for democracy, inquiry, or discourse.