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[–]femuhnist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

As a mother to a much younger daughter, thank you so much for writing this all out. I love this approach. I'm terrified of my kid falling into the fashionable trans cult when she's older. Perhaps things will have changed, but maybe for the worse, somehow. Bring back boy bands, I say!

[–]fuckingsealions 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree with the boy bands. Harmless fandom and fantasy for most girls. Music was everything to me when I was a kid. I think there will be a backlash and hella lawsuits ("why did you allow a child to have a mastectomy/ruin their fertility?") because we don't regulate in the US, we litigate. Our job moving forward is to support girls now, but watch out for the next groupthink trend that an outgroup can encourage and seize upon. The Shrier book has been fascinating because she states self harm in young people exploded after 2007... Right after the introduction of the iPhone.

I understand the purpose of chest binding is to make breasts disappear, but it reminds me so much of Victorian corsets--less breath intake, organ bruising, breast tissue damage, and malformation. Can we ever break out of our self oppression?

Stay strong for your daughter. As mothers we instantly get our cool cards yanked, but we can show them some reason and history if they're receptive. <3

[–]Camberian 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Even at the heyday of corsetting there was quite the movement against it, at the time. I draw hope from that.

[–]Apricot_Ibex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’ve always thought the teen girl obsession over male musicians, all the way back to Elvis and the Beatles, was mainly a kind of socially acceptable way for them to channel their lust. Sure, they enjoyed the music, but my friends covered their rooms with posters of “hot” boy bands in the 90s and 00s and certainly spent a LOT of time talking about said hotness amongst themselves, lol. Elvis wasn’t supposed to show the lower half of his body dancing on TV, but there were screaming hordes of girls who didn’t mind his alleged “indecency,” which certainly worried some of their parents.

Meanwhile, it was and still is considered fine and normal for boys to openly talk about jerking off to Playboy or whatever (now hardcore porn instead), rate women on scales, and joke about trying to bang as many girls as they can, especially from the 60s/sexual revolution onward, while girls were still slut-shamed for every breath they took. Girls could revert back to the 50s and say such-and-such male celebrity was “dreamy” and not get shamed for it. Male-driven media and society wasn’t ready for them to admit much else.