Qt/tra, how does identity form?

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[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Uhh, yes, it's part of the question because you're asking us we completely ignore your sex or the sex of other trans identified people in any context. All because you all don't want to be grouped with other people of your sex. You may not deny you're a male, but that it's meaningless if you expect we don't treat you like one.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

if you expect we don’t treat you like one

This has always been my point. If you treat trans women like men, we don’t get protections because men don’t need protections. We never get access to faculties because “the men’s is right there”. We get shoved unprotected into male prisons to be rape dolls because “they’re still men afterall”. The reason trans women have had to struggle with nothing for a century and the reason that we suffer at the hands of men who want us to act like “real men” is exactly because you all want to treat us as just men.

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Many GC are not against third spaces. It's mostly trans identified people who don't want them or say they will never be built...

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

They’re even harder to Justify if society considers us as “men asking for even more”.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Society already knows "transwomen" are actually men asking for more... Many people won't admit it out loud but no one really believes TWAW. If males who identify as trans weren't viewed as men they would have be given nothing by society. They wouldn't be believed when you talk about suicide and murder. They wouldn't be able to get away with saying or doing many outrageous things. That is not like how women are treated. At all.

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Way to prove my Point.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Way to ignore the point lol

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How am I proving your point when I'm saying that being viewed as men has not affected males who identify as trans's advocacy?

[–]circlingmyownvoid2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Because you lump us in with men and then immediately assume wild and untrue privilege.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t think you understand what male privilege is…

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I assumed nothing. What I said is based on observable evidence. Didn't I tell you how trans activists have been far more succesful than feminists in my country for example?

[–]Penultimate_Penance 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here's the deal if transwomen were actually women they wouldn't have the funding or backing from big companies, organizations and politicians that they do now. Men's desires matter more than women's physical reality. Tale as old as time. Abortion rights and other essential rights that affect women aka female people exclusively are taking a back seat to allowing super special males access to what should be women's single sex spaces.

Giving men everything they want at women's expense is not the civil rights issue of our time. The fact that society is treating it as though it is proof of transwomen's male privilege.