QT: Can men compete in women's sports if they meet all the same requirements of transwomen?

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[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

If you think this question is far fetched, then tell us how we can differentiate between a "true trans woman" and a "cis man. If questioning someone's "identity" is "transphobic", how can you reject mediocre "cis" male athletes who "just" want an easy win from competing in women's sports? As far as I can see, you can't, which means that by allowing any trans identified male in women's categories you are open it to any male who want to play there regardless of how he identifies.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Your comment doesn't really make a ton of sense to me. What does me thinking that the hypothetical is far fetched to do with how someone identifies?

I'm not opening it to any male who wants an easy win. I'm opening it to anyone who meets the requirements for fair competition regardless of personal beliefs. Unless you consider sports to be about more than a fair competition - which I don't.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You don’t see how to many women, things like sports teams and clubs are about more than competition? They are about social connections, team building, fitness, and a place where they can simply be without men commenting.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So your point is that women need spaces away from men. Women's sports currently is such a place which would be taken away if you let trans women compete. Okay sure. But this isn't an argument exclusively to sports. We can apply the same logic to women's fitness centers, book clubs Bible study meetings or whatever. I agree that places like these should exist. Hell im helping to create such a space currently. I simply consider these secondary in a highly competitive environment where fairness should be the primary metric.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ok, but if we go by the testosterone metrics for example, a guy can have all the advantages of male puberty but be considered a fair competition to a five foot tall woman in lifting if he took one dose of estrogen in his lifetime.

Separating sports by testosterone in one blood test is clearly not fair. Allowing anyone who has the advantages of male puberty to compete against someone who has not, regardless of whether he now has high testosterone is not fair.

Nature did not make competition between men and women fair. Sex separation gave some level of fairness.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay. So the current rules aren't fair. If we established rules that were fair - eg the male would have to be In a lower weight class as well - and the playing fields were equal, would you allow males to compete with females?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope. Sexual dimorphism wasn’t fair in giving men more strength. The playing fields are not equal. That’s my issue. They won’t be equal no matter what hypothetical is made up.