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[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

So your point is that women need spaces away from men. Women's sports currently is such a place which would be taken away if you let trans women compete. Okay sure. But this isn't an argument exclusively to sports. We can apply the same logic to women's fitness centers, book clubs Bible study meetings or whatever. I agree that places like these should exist. Hell im helping to create such a space currently. I simply consider these secondary in a highly competitive environment where fairness should be the primary metric.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ok, but if we go by the testosterone metrics for example, a guy can have all the advantages of male puberty but be considered a fair competition to a five foot tall woman in lifting if he took one dose of estrogen in his lifetime.

Separating sports by testosterone in one blood test is clearly not fair. Allowing anyone who has the advantages of male puberty to compete against someone who has not, regardless of whether he now has high testosterone is not fair.

Nature did not make competition between men and women fair. Sex separation gave some level of fairness.

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Okay. So the current rules aren't fair. If we established rules that were fair - eg the male would have to be In a lower weight class as well - and the playing fields were equal, would you allow males to compete with females?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope. Sexual dimorphism wasn’t fair in giving men more strength. The playing fields are not equal. That’s my issue. They won’t be equal no matter what hypothetical is made up.