GC: What are "sex-based" rights?

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[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Julia Serano, a transgender activist and author of Whipping Girl explains why trans men are often invisible. “Women’s appearances get more attention, women’s actions are commented on and critiqued more than men, so in that world it just makes sense that people will focus more on trans women than trans men." Our cultural obsession with feminine beauty contributes to the imbalance.

Wow, Julia Serano! Are you really using a heterosexual biological male (you know, the kind who can produces sperm, can impregnate but never get pregnant) who have admited in his cringely titled book "Whipping Girl" that he has a fetish for sumision and forced feminization as a voice of authority on this? Are you sure you don't want to quote Andrea Chu Long, or however his name is spelled, who thinks women are "an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes", too? Did Serano explain how feminity is the cause of things like FGM, sex-selective abortion or menstrual huts, too?

Anyway, what do female beauty standards have to do with "trans men" being ignored in the trans movement? If "trans men" are supposedly more "manly" shouldn't they be the ones leading it? Why is this the only movement weren't "men" are not prioritized?

Cis means identifying with the gender you were assigned at birth. Trans means identifying with a different gender than the one assigned at birth. They are essentially adjectives which may be relevant or irrelevant.

No, you have admitted that identifying as a woman means choosing to endure sexism. You can't backtrack now and claim that "cis" is just a neutral adjective.

Many people accept trans identities, but that doesn't mean they aren't a marginalized group.

For a marginalized group they surely have a lot of support from mainstram media, Big Tech and other big companies, billionaries, the medical stablishment and academical institutions who choose not to challenge the unscientific idea of men being able to become women. And they have got many favourable laws passed with little to not scrutiny from the public. They also have got many people, particularly women, fired for their "transphobic" views. And many people treat "misgendering" as worse than any violent rethoric and actions done by TRA.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Wow, Julia Serano! Are you really using a heterosexual biological male (you know, the kind who can produces sperm, can impregnate but never get pregnant) who have admited in his cringely titled book "Whipping Girl" that he has a fetish for sumision and forced feminization as a voice of authority on this? Are you sure you don't want to quote Andrea Chu Long, or however his name is spelled, who thinks women are "an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes", too? Did Serano explain how feminity is the cause of things like FGM, sex-selective abortion or menstrual huts, too?

In the particular example I gave I agree with her. Women’s actions are commented on and critiqued more than men, and many cis women have said this themselves.

No, you have admitted that identifying as a woman means choosing to endure sexism. You can't backtrack now and claim that "cis" is just a neutral adjective.

No. If I did, that's not what I meant to say. Women are not choosing to endure sexism. This has nothing to do with the term "cis" which is just a neutral adjective.

For a marginalized group they surely have a lot of support from mainstram media, Big Tech and other big companies, billionaries, the medical stablishment and academical institutions who choose not to challenge the unscientific idea of men being able to become women. And they have got many favourable laws passed with little to not scrutiny from the public. They also have got many people, particularly women, fired for their "transphobic" views. And many people treat "misgendering" as worse than any violent rethoric and actions done by TRA.

After George Floyd and Breonna Taylor were killed by police last year, there was a lot of support for BIPOC from the mainstream media. So many protests for Black Lives Matter and so many people marched in those protests. McDonalds even made a commercial supporting BLM and marginalized people, and other big companies supported the cause. New laws were passed to hold police accountable, and many people were fired for racist rhetoric on social media. Does that mean black people are no longer a marginalized group?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Gb the point is that you said it whether you meant it or not. In your enthusiasm to fight against women you said that little girls could just choose to say I’m a boy and avoid fgm. You readily implied that misogyny is tolerated by women for the sake of women identifying with femininity.

You not seeing that you argue for heinous things does not stop the heinous things you say.

Doubling down now just makes it appear to all that you saw the misogyny, saw that it supported tra, and was ok with it.

[–]adungitit 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will agree that having support from establishments does not translate into having support of the people and not being marginalised. It's a different story when trans people try to justify not advocating for their own spaces as being a result of their lacking political power, all while violating women's spaces, rewriting laws and making strides against women's protections.