GC: What should the limits be on erotic consumption and sexual behavior?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

I dislike the idea of purity levels. It’s too black and white and feeds into the same attack-and-virtue-signal cycle we see in qt groups.

There is no card to lose. It’s not like someone who likes lingerie or handcuffs in their bedroom suddenly becomes unfeminist and stops recognising the issues raised by the radfem community.

[–]worried19[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Up to a point. For me the line is crossed when they try to promote or defend harmful, misogynistic things in a radical feminist space. If it's strictly in their personal lives, I'll still disagree with it, but I don't think it cancels out their opinions on other matters.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But if that’s what they’re trying to promote, are they even (“radical”) feminists at all?

[–]worried19[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a good question. On a gut level, I don't consider women who happily participate in sexualized violence to be feminists, but I'm not advocating kicking them out of radical feminist spaces as long as they're not trying to defend it.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Well, yea..doing the exact opposite of what radical feminism aims for is clearly not a radfem act and probably isn’t done by radfem women.

But if we start picking apart our own and buying into this-is-or-isn’t mentality, we make an ouroboros.

[–]worried19[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

You'd be surprised. I keep running into kink defenders on Ovarit even though it's explicitly against the rules.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Defenders of personally engaging in things deemed ‘kinky’ or defenders of pornography, public displays of fetishes, or exposing children to it?

Are they in support of adults doing what they want in their own bedrooms, or are they saying that only fans is empowering?

I don’t see how this makes the card holder stuff a good way to look at anything.

[–]worried19[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Defending kink like proper liberal feminists would, talking about it not being harmful, not misogynistic, that it can happen in a loving relationship, that the "sub has all the power" and other junk arguments.

I have not seen radical feminists try to argue it should be public or in front of children, thank God, but that's setting the bar pretty low.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Do you really think that rather than engaging with them and showing them a different opinion, we should cancel them and take away their feminist card?

Is this helpful? What does it achieve? Who decides who meets the purity standards and who does not? Do we take the cards away for other impure thoughts or actions?

[–]worried19[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

No, I don't think we should cancel them. Where did I say that? But I don't think that type of thing should be allowed on Ovarit. On a debate sub, sure. But Ovarit specifically has rules against promoting kink.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

It’s kind of implied by the whole ‘losing their card’ thing. So report them? Why does it have to devolve into the purity spiral?

Is ovarit even strictly radfem?

Again, who decides who is pure enough? Where does it end?

[–]worried19[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

That's exactly what I'm questioning. Where does it end? I feel like I'm not getting my thoughts across very well because everyone seems to be confused.

Is ovarit even strictly radfem?

Not strictly, no, but it's meant to uphold radical feminist principles. Hence the rules against promoting kink.