GC: are there any QT/trans people that you like and admire and QT/trans: are there any GC people you like and admire?

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[–]worried19 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (24 children)

On Ovarit, there are a few posters who go way overboard with this. I downvote when they get really over the top.

[–]questioningtw[S] 5 insightful - 7 fun5 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 7 fun -  (23 children)

I do too. I have been downvoted myself for saying that I have no problem with transwomen like Blair White or Natalie Wynn using the women's bathroom, and in fact I think it is pretty shitty telling people that look exactly like women to use the mens.

[–]worried19 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (22 children)

It's not even just about bathrooms. I can understand taking a hard line stance on that even if I don't agree. But some posters (one in particular) continually goes around saying that all trans women are pedophiles and rapists. Like, dude, seriously? I think it drags the whole site down when people talk that way. Fortunately, it's not many, but it's a bad look for all of us.

[–]questioningtw[S] 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (21 children)

I hate that too, and I wish more people would call that out, rape and pedophillia are serious crimes and spewing accusations without any evidence IS being hateful.

I also really don't like it when a few of the posters act lik literally all men are horrible. It is like really? How is that any better then MGTOW who act like all women are evil, because they met some shitty women. I know paterarchy exists, but not all men are horrible.

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (18 children)

I think a lot of women there have had really horrible and traumatic shit happen to them. There was a poll on how many of us are rape survivors:

https://ovarit.com/o/Women/8657/how-many-times-have-you-been-raped-in-your-lifetime

That doesn't even count molestation or harassment, just rape. I don't blame women for not trusting men. But the same time, I don't believe half of humanity is just evil. Some men are evil, but it can't be all of them.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

Where are these women meant to discuss their views and feelings if they can’t even do it in gender critical spaces?

Where can we say “men are shit” without not all men needing to be brought up? Like I get that not every male is evil but why can’t women who have been hurt by every man in their life have just one space to vent without someone saying they should pipe down?

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (15 children)

I'm not against them venting about men in general.

My main problem is when all trans women are tagged as evil fetishists, rapists, and pedophiles. We know that's not true.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I'm not against them venting about men in general. My main problem is when all trans women are tagged as evil fetishists, rapists, and pedophiles. We know that's not true

I don't blame women for not trusting men. But the same time, I don't believe half of humanity is just evil. Some men are evil, but it can't be all of them.

Lmao so which is it? Not all men or not all men who say they are women?

They’re no different to other men, so I don’t see how the venting is different. Hell, transwomen are the men fighting hardest to strip women of rights.

But regarding where women can and can’t freely feel and vent, where can they?

If NAMALT is gonna be trotted out in supposedly feminist spaces, is there anywhere women can speak about how they feel about men without having someone come along and defend the men, regardless of not every single man ever being evil? Are women supposed to simply keep their wrongthink and frustrations silent? Even in women’s spaces, women can’t freely express themselves..

Do feminist spaces and/or women’s spaces really have a need for NAMALT/not my Nigel commenters?

[–]worried19 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (12 children)

I don't try to police what people can say on Ovarit. As I mentioned, I only ever report for slurs.

But it bothers me when all trans women are tagged as evil predators. Some people there have contempt for trans women that goes beyond anything they post about males in general. That's what I have a problem with. There's at least one poster who even admits that she hates and despises trans women. And it's a bad look for the rest of us. Pro-trans people read that and think GC women really do have a personal vendetta against trans women, even though the vast majority of us do not.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

So we can hate men without needing NAMALT?

Who do these few women need be silenced so we look better to the very men who want women’s rights to be taken away, and the anti-feminist supporters of those men? Are TRA going to respect women are humans if we improve our optics?

Why not just let them be angry? We are never going to look acceptable to men anyway because we say no to them.having bad optics is the least of feminisms issue with the same group that regularly threatens rape and murder.

It’s laughable that these ridiculous men can look at a thousand of their own being predators and say b-b-but not all of us! Yet if they see one or two women angry on ovarit, feminism is spoiled for everyone.

[–]ZveroboyAlinaIs clownfish a clown or a fish? 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But how can you tell who is and who is not from them?

Chances that someone is - increased, and they have free access to victims and special trans-protections against being prosecuted.

It is mostly men who are rapists and violent, and it is mostly men who are breaking boundaries of female spaces are who likely to attack - and for safeguarding purposes we are not letting ANY men in women's safe spaces.

Same with this, maybe some transwomen are good, maybe majority of them are good, but abusers and fetishists are abusing poorly written laws and abusing their position and trans status - and there is NO way to tell the difference between them. So for safeguarding purposes we should not let ANY of them in women's safe spaces, we should create special safe spaces for them, like in some European countries - prisons have safe sections in them for gay, gender non-conforming and other vulnureable men. Same can be made for transwomen as well. Make them safe by creating safe space for them, instead of making them not that much safer by destroying women's safe spaces.

[–]questioningtw[S] 6 insightful - 6 fun6 insightful - 5 fun7 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

I have luckily never been raped, but have been sexually harassed and had men grope me. I think women are pretty much forced to compartmentalize. Like yes, I HATE those men, but I can't believe all men are like that.