QT: Where are the “trans men” athletes winning against men?

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[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (9 children)

Current testosterone levels are only one part of a much broader picture.

Indeed, the entire body of a person should be taken into consideration, not just their hormones. Which is why males shouldn' t compete in women' s leagues, because even if, for some miracle, their testosterone results ok for women' s leagues, the rest of their body isn' t.

And that' s without even taking into consideration just how fucking gross it is that women, who have fought to have their leagues because their SEX was discriminated against in this specific area, have to be told that they are supposed to make room for males (who have been able to compete in official sport leagues since the beginning of civilization) and see them stealing their achievements, records, trophies and glory because "it' s the nice thing to do".

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (8 children)

because even if, for some miracle, their testosterone results ok for women' s leagues,

sorry, not getting involved in the conversation because I know nothing about sports nor do I care much about them, but... you realize that any TW on hormones will have T levels comparable to women, right? Like it's not a miraculous thing, it just... is.

edit for reference: my last blood test put me at .2 ng/ml, which would be approaching the low end of normal female levels

second edit: Should say any TW on a proper amount of hormones, not some weird 50 mg spiro 1 mg estro crap.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

This doesn' t happen to every trans natal male, and even if it did, the point still stands: hormones are important, but they shouldn' t be the ultimate test for letting males in women' s sport leagues.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

but they shouldn' t be the ultimate test for letting males in women' s sport leagues.

not saying they are. Honestly my opinion on sports is: tough, don't compete if you are trans

That said it's wildly inaccurate misinformation on the subject I DO know about, I'm not letting it go unsaid.

[–]Omina_SentenziosaSarcastic Ovalord 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

As I already said, this doesn' t happen to every trans natal male. It happened to you and it happens to others, great. It doesn' t happen to everyone. You say it yourself that different treatments can be considered crap and are going to give different results.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Sure but don't act like a TW getting more than literally nothing in hormones is a 'miracle'. I've said it before elsewhere but I help people with their levels on twitter, TW above like 2-3 ng/ml are a massive outlier. Even with bad hormone intake it's usually like .5-1.

edit: in hindsight I will admit that anyone who cares enough to pay attention to their levels is probably taking treatment more seriously, so they'd be slightly skewed to more normal levels than normal, though I doubt that'd change much.

[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Are you a doctor or a pharmacist? Because if not, I think giving medical advice to strangers on the internet it's pretty irresponsible.

[–]Greensquidsphone 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you for your 2 cents. When doctors do more than a 5 second Google search of trans care to come up with their absolutely garbage ideas for treatment I'll stop being so irresponsible.

[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

And your solution is playing doctor and promoting self-medication?

[–]Greensquidsphone 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

8 times out of 10 my solution is "tell your doctor 'this'". I only recommend self medding in cases where people don't have access to medical treatment, and in those cases I want to make sure they're as safe as possible while doing so, helping them find clinics for blood tests, etc