QT: questions about transphobia (But gc feel free to add questions)

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[–]comradeconradical 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (48 children)

Sports is a harder bear to tackle, but this is why we need pre-puberty transition :)

disgusting, smiley face doesn't soften the blow of child abuse

ETA: nor does the smiley it make it okay to reduce females in women's sports

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (47 children)

Ethically speaking, child abuse is refusing children medical treatment of which we have concrete evidence of efficacy. But sure.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (46 children)

If a twelve year old girl wants breast implants and received them, is it medically ethical? How about giant bum implants? How about a mastectomy at 14? People deemed too incapable of long-term planning that they cannot get tattoos are ok to get elective cosmetic surgery because..? They are extremely sad without it? I was sad about not getting cosmetic procedures as a teen too. Doesn’t mean it would have been ethical for anyone to give me them.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (45 children)

If you think the standard of care for trans kids includes surgery you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not going to bother responding, or you do and you're asking in bad faith, again, I won't respond.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (43 children)

So you are totally unable to draw a comparison with cosmetic procedures being harmful and drugs that cause osteoporosis in preparation for cosmetic surgery being harmful and neither being appropriate for children?

You’re quick to refuse to debate people considering you’re coming here to debate. You can’t just ignore everyone who challenges you and still call it debating. Be good faith or go be with the other tra who only want agreement.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (42 children)

I'm not going to debate someone debating something wholly irrelevant. You can try and debate me in any number of topics that don't matter. If I start trying to ask why radfems want to murder trans babies and their parents are you going to give me any shred of dignity and respond?

Cosmetic procedures aren't harmful, they just aren't fit for minors. You're the one saying they are harmful in the first place.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (40 children)

So no you definitely can’t draw the obvious comparison, or debate anyone who challenges you. Thanks for confirming.

Osteoporosis causing meds to prepare for future surgery aren’t quite irrelevant to cosmetic procedures being harmful. Puberty blockers provide a cosmetic changes by not allowing the body to develop. It’s not like they’re using them as an antidepressant.

Reddit is full of subs where you won’t be disagreed with and need to announce your plan to ignore every user who responds to you.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (39 children)

“Murder trans babies”

Wow lmao what a fucking reach

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (38 children)

GC Murder trans babies but I’m being too ridiculous to debate lmao.

Dangerous drugs used for cosmetic effects in preparation for future cosmetic surgery being compared to cosmetic surgery alone is incomprehensible, and I’m the idiot here.

How does anyone take these arguments so seriously that they pretend sex doesn’t exist? My nieces gave better during their tantrums.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (37 children)

I feel like a whole lot of sub rules are being broken, and I wish we could have some type of post discussing the rules and what constitutes breaking them. Because just in this post we’ve/a I’ve been called or compared to a bigot, told to fuck off, and I can’t imagine that the leap to us now being murderers because we oppose puberty blockers being given to people not old enough to give consent to them is not somehow flaming? Again, we’re gc so I guess whatever is said to or about us is okay, but I do think we need some type of transparent discussion about the rules.

I know I’d personally love to discuss the “no misogyny” rule.

[–]adungitit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If I start trying to ask why radfems want to murder trans babies

That's literally the level of argumentation that QT brings to the table, though? And GC still respond, and QT usually either cannot respond, or they start complaining because they didn't parrot "transwomen are women" fast enough.

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It does include surgery in the USA.

The mean (SD) age at chest surgery in this cohort was 17.5 (2.4) years (range, 13-24 years), with 33 (49%) being younger than 18 years. Of the 33 postsurgical participants younger than 18 years at surgery, 16 (48%) were 15 years or younger

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VG30CYPOQOrjEaYP2ocTYH272uqZo3TG/view

Of the 11 surgeons who had performed vaginoplasty on a transgender female minor, 10 were in private practice. Reported ages of minors undergoing surgery ranged from 15 to “a day before 18” years

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1861PShuvWj6jt2PrRx7gueqv5dvvz-Fn/view

A gender therapist with the Kaiser Permanente healthcare organization in Oakland, California admits: “In terms of masculinizing top surgery, I think 12 is the youngest who’s had surgery through our program . . . .”

https://blobby.wsimg.com/go/d795ab62-2d39-4341-afbb-ed897c5ad0a7/UPDATED%20Treatments%20Performed%20on%20Minors%20-%20Hand%20.pdf

This is not a figment of people's imaginations. It is actually happening. There are studies and multiple verified reports of this happening on a regular basis to minors.