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[–]JollyPurple 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Gender refers to the characteristics of women, men, girls and boys that are socially constructed. This includes norms, behaviours and roles associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy, as well as relationships with each other. As a social construct, gender varies from society to society and can change over time. - World Health Organization

Gender identity is which gender a person bases their identity on/identifies with.

If you've come up with completely new meanings of the word gender, you need to tell people now. Otherwise we are going to keep using the meaning it was before. I mean seriously, the entire debate between 'the world vs the transgender community' almost always comes down to your community constantly changing the meaning of words. If you guys just sat down and listed and defined all your words and then STUCK to them we wouldn't keep having this issue.

Woman - adult female human

Trans community changes it to " a person who identifies with patriarchy's socially constructed gender forced onto members of the female sex"

The trans community says "transwomen are women." then gets mad when people debate that fact because they still use women as it was originally defined, adult female human.

In order to fix communication issues created by the trans community, another community creates new words to name their reality. They tell the trans community they can have the old words, like straight, gay, lesbian, bi, man, woman, but we are adding the word "super" in front of them so you know that we mean something different than you when we speak. "Transwomen are now women" because we let you have the word woman. But transwomen are not superwomen though, because our new word superwoman has a different definintion that the trans communities word "woman".

Then your community gets super pissed because "oh no, they can't just make up new words. They can't just use different words. They must use the words we appropriated and colonized and the meanings we changed them to. If you don't, you're an evil transphobic nazi. Stop making up words to communicate biological realities. It's a hate crime. NO NEW WORDS!! And you must completely ignore the fact that male and female humans exist. If you ever bring it up again, you are just outting yourself as a bigot that wants all trans people dead!! "

Either accept the fact that if you continue to appropriate and colonize words, change the meanings, and then do it OVER AND OVER again, people will continue to create new words to replace the ones you stole. So either make your debate based around the fact that you want to force people to use the words the way YOU want them to, or you make your debate about whether or not you think people should be allowed to make new words to name our reality.

Because it's not about being transgender or not anymore, it's about the reason WHY your community doesn't want people to create and use new words. Because those new words name realities you want to erased.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You are so hateful. It’s wild. What are you even doing in a debate space if you are accusing us of things like stealing words?

[–]JollyPurple 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you don't like what's being said, then your problem is with the actions of your community, not the person calling out the bad behavior. We weren't doing anything, the trans community was the one that came in FIRST, made the FIRST actions to take the words for their own use, change the meanings, and then demonize anyone that doesn't agree with the changes that no one outside of the transgender community wanted in the first place.

If you don't want to be called out for appropriating and colonizing the words an oppressed group of people use to name themselves, then give the words back. Make your own. And if you don't want to give them up, stop acting like people using the words' original definitions are bigots. Again male and female humans will exist no matter how bad your community wishes we didn't, no matter how bad your community wants to hide or erase it. So suck it up and either give us our words back, or let us make new ones.