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[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Enjoy it while it lasts I suppose. We (trans people) are by and large winning this ideological war.

[–]worried19[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

The only way you're "winning" is by banning speech. And no matter how hard you try, you can't shut up people who disagree.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Nope, we’re winning by ending the stigma of being trans and by making people familiar with being trans. It’s simply a matter of time until we’re in the same place that the LGB communities find themselves now.

[–]worried19[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If that were true, you'd be able to win in the free marketplace of ideas. You know how people won gay marriage? They debated and won public support by proving that gay and lesbian people weren't harming anyone. They weren't viciously silencing the opposition via a media blackout and corporate censorship.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Are you though?

Polling from 13 States Reveals Widespread Disapproval of “Gender Identity” Policies

You've created the illusion of widespread agreement by removing posts and comments from the opposition on most major tech platforms or deplatforming the opposition altogether-- this is not 'winning the ideological war'.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And anyone should trust this poll paid for by arguably the most scummy radfem group in the United States, through a polling group that almost exclusively serves republican interests, and somehow managed to include in their poll a 40-45%~ trump supporter margin in California, despite the state having half that in an actual trump-supporting population, because why exactly? As far as I can tell (and every link on that page is now purple for me), they don't list the actual methodology anywhere. The best we get is 'which presidential candidate do you support', which is already damning as is. And that's just California. At least there they managed to poll a majority of democrat voters. The 'nationwide' poll is even worse, with a 49/49 split (1.x% independent). And considering we can immediately throw about 95% of republican voters into the 'down with trans people' category, immediately the swing of overwhelming majority becomes 'republicans hate it but democrats are mixed'. Oh and 82% of people they polled were over 35. Eighty two. With 80% also being white, and 75% being middle class or higher. I don't have any clap emoji's so I need you to imagine them when I say: The. Poll. Is. Rigged.

But while we're here on their site, let me find out who ELSE recommends Spry Research!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Principles_Project

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_America_PAC

https://www.nc.gop/

Cumulus Media (Family Radio, Salem Media, Ben "Facts Man" Shapiro, many others. They're a LOT, if you want to dig into them be my guest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumulus_Media_Networks)

Herman Cain, the anti-masker who went to a trump rally, caught covid, and died.

tl;dr, why in god's name do I care about this poll?

[–]Porcelain_QuetzalTabby without Ears 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Color me impressed. ;)

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most people who disagree with trans ideology are conservatives who are angry at people not performing their proper gender God/nature-given gender roles. People not believing in magical sex transformations is hardly the win that GC thinks it is when most of that is due to these people being conservatives and against everything really, including women's rights.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Look at how support goes up with the younger generations and you can see the trajectory we’re headed. It’s just a matter of time

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The same pornsick generations that show that misogyny is still equally bad among men and boys who think men are the persecuted ones? Sounds like a great generation to decide they're women.

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Men's fetishes and misogyny winning over women's rights? Unheard of!