ALL: Would removing "real life experience" requirements from trans healthcare benefit everyone?

submitted by ntr4ctrAdult Male with gender dysphoria from self.GCdebatesQT

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[–]comradeconradical 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

I'd advocate for radical acceptance, body positivity, and non-gender based therapy over genital mutilation.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

Radical acceptance and body positivity won’t make you not want to throw up when you see your genitals.

[–]comradeconradical 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So many people are repulsed with their bodies, yet find ways to grow and accept them.

A non-gender-affirming therapist would be a great help in these cases, for exposure therapy and mentality.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

You have absolutely no proof of the effectiveness of those therapies on genital Dysphoria. That proof doesn’t exist. This is the problem. You decry the only effective therapy and suggest instead what amounts to psychological snake oil for this issue.

[–]comradeconradical 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sigh, we've already debated effective therapies and the fact that dysphoria is often overcome without treatment, particularly in minors. We've already debated how just because a treatment for a condition (that is under-researched to begin with) is the standard, doesn't mean it's the best or only possible option. Also, we've compared this disorder to other similar disorders and seen a complete different approach. This method does not mitigate harm overall, unlike other possible therapies. So no, transition is not the only treatment, and can have serious adverse effects. It's dangerous to claim it's the only way to cope.

You don't want proof, as any proof we show you you ignore. You don't want to hear about other options, and you don't want to understand why treating transition as the cure-all of dysphoria can do more harm than good for many. Again, glad it helped you, even though you still seem very unhappy as a person and with your trans status. But there are always other ways, even if you don't want to see them.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

No other effective therapy for transition exists. The medical community agrees. If you have actual evidence you are welcome to present it , but we both know you just don’t want trans people around so you want transition to be impossible. You don’t actually have any knowledge, nor I expect actually care, if there is another way to actually treat dysphoria.

An opinion piece by someone who hates trans people isn’t proof of anything. Actual studies. I’ll save you some time, there aren’t any.

You not liking something isn’t a reason for it to be illegal.

And of course I’m unhappy with my trans status. I’m a second class citizen that looks like a freak. But I’m still happier than I was trying to live in the body I naturally developed. Only a fucking idiot wouldn’t choose to be cis if they could. But we don’t get to choose. You can’t just decide to be comfortable in a body your entire being rejects and is disgusted by. That’s a pipe dream and you are pushing to replace effective medicine with happy thoughts and unmitigated suffering because you don’t want people like me to exist, just to be miserable in their “proper roles”.

[–]ntr4ctrAdult Male with gender dysphoria[S] 1 insightful - 4 fun1 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 4 fun -  (6 children)

As far as I'm concerned, having to have a penis is the "mutilation" at play here. If someone surgically attached a penis to you that you didn't want, you'd feel mutilated, right? You wouldn't just tell yourself "body positivity" and try to keep it and get used to it. I can assure you that the fact that I was born with one makes it no less distressing for me.

[–]comradeconradical 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lol your natural body is not 'mutilation', how insulting to people who have actually been mutilated.

Just because you have a mental issue with your body, doesn't make your body the issue.

[–]adungitit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

If someone surgically attached a penis to you that you didn't want, you'd feel mutilated, right?

It's baffling that you assume mentally healthy people would ever assume that a healthy, natural part of their body is "mutilating them".

[–]ntr4ctrAdult Male with gender dysphoria[S] 1 insightful - 5 fun1 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

well you've never had to feel the disgusting sensation of having that part stuck on you, so what gives you the right to tell me I should have to be subjected to it for the rest of my life?

[–]ColoredTwiceIntersex female, medical malpractice victim, lesbian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I will tell you a secret, majority of teen girls feeling very uncomfortable or hateful towards their bodies. Almost every woman grown up through body dysmorphia. This does not mean we all must be mutilating ourselves to remove our healthy organs we are distressed. This way humanity would end, as it will affect almost all women. You should be trying to accept yourself or fight patriarchy that is causing such distress instead. Blaming women for all is just wrong, demanding women to share our spaces because you feeling uncomfortable is an abuse, demanding women to fight for you and strip out our rights to suit you is manipulation and entitlement, privilegy.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What gives you the right to expect women to care about your personal demons? What gives you the right to frame women as somehow guilty of causing your distress? What makes your distress so urgent that women who don’t know you should perform emotional labor for you, and vote in your interest?

[–]adungitit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not telling you anything except that it's not sane in the slightest to think it's "mutilation" to have a normal healthy body. You shouldn't project conclusions born out of a severe mental illness onto the rest of the population, it gives you a distorted image of what a healthy mentality looks like.