QT- The intersex/hermaphroditism comparisons and examples

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[–]censorshipment 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (35 children)

https://www.studyfinds.org/study-shows-differences-brain-structure-transgender-cisgender/

The researchers performed a structural analysis on 80 study participants using an MRI machine to determine differences in gray and white brain matter. The participants were between the ages of 18 and 49 and were divided into four groups of 20: cisgender women, cisgender men, transgender women who had taken no hormones, and transgender women who had taken hormonal treatment.

The results revealed a difference in brain volume in the region known as the insula, which is an important component in body image and self-awareness, along with other brain functions. The insula was smaller by volume in both hemispheres for transgender women who have and haven’t taken hormones when compared to cisgender women. Overall, the insula was the same size in transgender women and cisgender men, but smaller in transgender women compared to cisgender women.

“It’s important to recall that there’s no such thing as a typically female or male brain. There are slight structural differences, which are far more subtle than the difference in genitals, for example. Brain structures vary greatly among individuals,” notes Spizzirri.

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To continue the article.

“We observed specificities in the brains of trans individuals, an important finding in light of the idea of gender ideology. The evidence is building up that it’s not a matter of ideology. Our own research based on MRI scans points to a detectable structural basis,” says Carmita Abdo, coordinator of the Sexuality Research Program (ProSex) at the Psychiatry Institute of Hospital das Clínicas and principal investigator of the study.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I can’t copy and paste it for some reason, maybe there’s a trick to it or maybe the site doesn’t allow it, but at the bottom of the article you two are discussing, they link the study, and the study disproved the idea the TW don’t have male brains, instead it suggests that depression and behavior attributed to their dysphoria is what causes the notable differences in their brains...

Also the article itself states that there’s no typical male or female brain, as brains vary individually.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

The study claims there is evidence to suggest a structural root for dysphoria. I quoted the statement from the head researcher that said as much.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As I said in my other comment- you didn’t say this, you said you don’t have a male brain. That is what I disagree with. Had you said this I wouldn’t have disagreed, I would have still wanted to see the source you mentioned though

[–]censorshipment 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (28 children)

The important part is the truth about the lie you told.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (27 children)

The conclusion from the study was that there were indicia of possible structural basis for dysphoria. You cherry picking a paragraph from an article doesn’t change the conclusion, which was reflected in what I posted but you conveniently left out.

[–]censorshipment 5 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 5 fun -  (26 children)

I quoted the important part about body image (which trans people seem to have a distorted sense of) and self-awareness (which trans people seem to lack) because you lied about a difference ("there is a brain difference between a cis man and a trans woman")... the difference is between trans women and cis women, not trans women and cis men.

The results revealed a difference in brain volume in the region known as the insula, which is an important component in body image and self-awareness, along with other brain functions. The insula was smaller by volume in both hemispheres for transgender women who have and haven’t taken hormones when compared to cisgender women. Overall, the insula was the same size in transgender women and cisgender men, but smaller in transgender women compared to cisgender women.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

You are implying that there isn’t a third option. I never claimed trans women had identical brains to natal women, just different than cis men. No structural difference in one area doesn’t disprove that Espescially in light of the conclusions of that study as a whole.

[–]comradeconradical 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

A structural basis of dysphoria really just solidifies it as a mental illness, as there are similar structural differences in different mental disorders like depression and schizophrenia. It means nothing for gender.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Besides not being able to prove the brain argument, unless they are claiming that brains are somehow intersex, their claims have zero relevance to the topic at hand. Utterly ridiculous.

[–]comradeconradical 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes im not sure what the point here is or what masks is trying to prove... despite multiple comments on it

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Dysphoria is a mental illness. I’ve never said it wasn’t. It’s just an illness you treat with transition.

[–]comradeconradical 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (20 children)

Nah, sadly further research into treatment hasn't been done because there is so much money to be made by making medical patients for life out of healthy bodies.

Lobotomy was considered the right treatment for many afflictions, we know better now. We don't treat dysmorphics by cutting off their limbs, or depressed people by endorsing suicide. Listen to detransitioners to see how transition can do more harm than good. And that's not even to touch on the experimental nature of transition and the ill-understood long term effects.

The majority of people, especially young people, get over dysphoria with time.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Transition isn’t expiramental. It’s been near on 90 years since bottom surgery was first practiced. There’s nothing unsettled or novel about it.

And “lifelong patients” don’t produce as much money as you seem to think they do. Aside from the one time surgical expenses I pay less than 30 dollars a month for medications. This reads like a conspiracy theory.

And I know at least one detransitioner in fact. She’s perfectly supportive of trans people and isn’t in any way anti transition. Just because Kiera Bell is interested in being a professional transphobe isn’t a basis for policy.