“Passing/stealth trans women are treated as natal women exactly.”

You assume. How are women treated? And why are we grouping people based on how they are treated but their treatment isn’t a part of your definition?

“those that don’t pass are treated as lesser and subjected to general marginalization and scorn from the mysogynistic society as a whole. This includes application of pressure to meet feminine appearance and behavior standards to garner better treatment as more acceptable to that society.”

Then women would need to be defined as how women are treated, right? Why is that not a part of your definition?

“You are trying to force men on us despite our objections.”

I’m saying it makes the most sense to group humans by sex. Your objections are personal, mine are biological and functional, which is how we’ve always been separated.

“And your arguments end as chromosomes and you not liking trans women because we are “men”.”

If you think that the only difference is chromosomes I think we’d need to back up and have a conversation about the basic differences between sexes before we can continue the conversation

“You constantly argue that not only must there be a binary but that is is of such extreme importance that it should essentially control everything about the way trans people are allowed to exist.”

No. You’ve never proven that the binary doesn’t exist. I argue that because it exists, it doesn’t make sense to just act like it doesn’t so TW can call themselves women and pretend it makes sense. You have to show that it doesn’t exist.

“Which means nothing because i argume female isn’t the defining factor.”

Then what is the defining factor? And why?

“Your conclusion assumes that being female is what matters rather than societal interaction.”

Why isn’t it? And why do even passing TW get rejected or treated differently if discovered to be trans?

“A trans men knows your experiences at minimum no better than I but you group them together.”

I think TM understand better than TW because before they passed as male they experienced it themselves, and likely still experience some aspects of it, since many still endure pregnancy and periods and other female specific health concerns. They still grew up female, and were treated as such until they transitioned.

“By that metric you shouldn’t call us men.”

I don’t think it makes sense define people by how they may or may not be treated. I call them men because they fit the definition of the term.

“Any transitioning trans woman has different internal and external experiences to cis men.”

But they know what it is to be physically male. And were treated like males growing up. All people have varying internal and external experiences.

“Same between natal woman and trans men. At best your logic dictates at least 4 categories.”

4 makes more sense than lumping TW in with women.