QT: If women can be male, wtf is a woman then? What term, if any, should we use to describe the female sex?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

If I’m grouping by sex, which is how all sexed beings are grouped btw, then yeah, it makes the most sense to group males with males.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

I disagree. It’s baseless and any taxonomy that puts trans women with cis men and trans men with natal women fails to serve any useful purpose because those groups have nothing relevant in common.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Lmao that’s just not true. It feels like you just decide what your ideal scenario would be and you just reach backwards and twist to try to make it fit. It’s too much. Even your way of thinking and the things you push for and the tactics you use are so... male. You personally seem to have no understanding of women and what we need want or feel and yet you are the most staunch advocate for forcing males into us. I just- god you say all TW think like you and that’s so terrifying.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

That’s basically all a lie.

The failings of your scheme to address the realities of trans people are plain but you deny them and pretend they don’t exist.

Your constant reversion to finding ways to talk about how I am so masculine constantly because you know it is hurtful is so transparent, on top of calling though patterns male implying the kind of biological determinism that gc pretends to be against in the process.

Not to mention the purposefully rape suggestive language or “forcing males onto you”. It’s tawdry and uncalled for.

I’ve never one said all trans women think like me. I’d hate to think they did, I consider myself a freak and have no hope.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It’s not a lie. What trans people go through has nothing to do with women or what women go through. Just because being trans is hard doesn’t mean women have to just accept whatever the fuck you demand from us.

It’s not uncalled for to say that you’re forcing yourself on women. Obviously it’s not in a sexual way (at least not from you but let’s not pretend that this isn’t a thing that TW who think they are lesbians do...). It is what you’re doing. Women don’t want to be lumped with TW. We don’t want anything to do with TW. Some may be allies, some may be too uneducated to give a fuck, but most women don’t consider TW women and shouldn’t have to accept TW inserting themselves into our spaces, language, and whatever else TW can think to force themselves into.

You have generalized about what TW want ans how they think many many times. If that’s not what you meant then it wasn’t clear to me.

I don’t point out your masculinity to be hurtful. I need you to understand that you do display a stereotypical male mentality. And that is scary to me. Genuinely scary. Because you don’t seem to realize it. You don’t see the harm you spread with what you say and while you say these scary and harmful things you think there’s nothing masculine or “male” about it. You say things I’ve heard from other males. Often. It is scary. Because you and maybe other male people who think like you are going to be in my safe spaces and there’s nothing I can do about it. It genuinely makes me feel scared and uncomfortable to think about that. But go ahead and make me the bully because it hurts your feelings to read it. I wish the shit you said just hurt my feelings.

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You literally laugh at me regularly and invent excuses to refer to me in masculine fashion and accuse me of masculine qualities. The playing innocent act isn’t fooling anyone. I’m not making you out to be a bully, you just act like one.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Like I said- you display the behavior and I call it out. I don’t laugh at you for being masculine- I laugh when you come across as narcissistic, tone deaf, or completely lacking in self awareness. The moments that I laugh at you are not centered around you displaying typical male behavior or misogyny, it’s when you’re unaware or being hypocritical about something. I’m not playing innocent ive said many many times that I get rude or sarcastic from time to time. I’ve never denied that. I’m saying that you and the things you say scare and frustrate me sometimes. I’m not a bully just because I don’t use language that you like or because I call you out when you act a certain way. Nor do I invent excuses to do anything, you offer up so many opportunities to say something and I actually bypass most of them. I could probably call out many more things you say I just don’t until you push your agenda a bit too hard. I’m never going to tiptoe around you and I will always call out your various types of bullshit so if you think that makes me a bully or you can’t handle it it’s best you block me.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Cool story. Laughing at someone. Falsely accusing them of things. Going out of your way to call them hurtful things. Implying you are somehow not in the wrong because you could be meaner.

Not at all bullying behavior.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I didn’t falsely accuse you of anything. Imo, and apparently the opinion of several others who have both said the same or liked my comments when I said it, you’ve deserved every accusation I’ve made. I didn’t imply I could be meaner- I straight up said you say rude or harmful things that I don’t call out all the time. Way to once again, twist words to your liking. That last part, btw, something I’ve seen at least three others “accuse” you of. But I guess put it all on me and say I’m a bully for agreeing with half the sub lol

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Again insults and laughter.