GC: What is the best or most important thing trans people or transsexuals can do to help you?

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[–]loveSloaneDebate King 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (157 children)

If there’s evidence of transwomen being in danger then you don’t need new cases- you should be able to actually show some type of proof from the past- that’s literally what the claim is based on now- things that would’ve had to have happened already for you to even claim the need to be protected from? And, if that proof already exists- why can’t you cite it now? Unless you’re saying that this whole time, transwomen have been invading female spaces based only on the assumption that they aren’t safe in the men’s room?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (154 children)

Also- according to my answer it wouldn’t matter what you cited- female spaces would remain solely for females. This would really only apply to other claims made.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (153 children)

Us not being safe in men’s rooms was an example claim you brought up.

I didn’t take up the rest of your answer because it amounts to be obviously out to everyone and in as much Danger as possible as well as constantly humiliated and just to make sure, no matter how early or how sure you want us to go through puberty to make our bodies as disgusting and obvious as possible.

That about cover it?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (152 children)

It was one of a few and I think the only reason you cling to it so hard is because it’s the only thing you can effectively cite proof of. But if you’re safety hinges on undermining the rights and needs of so many others maybe your community needs to deeply reevaluate some of your stances and the things you’re demanding from people who have nothing to do with you.

And yes- I do want to stop you from being able to abuse children and use them as little science experiments. So I guess that does cover it!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (151 children)

But if you’re safety hinges on undermining the rights and needs of so many others maybe your community needs to deeply reevaluate some of your stances and the things you’re demanding from people who have nothing to do with you.

So your safety matters but ours doesn’t?

I was 14 the first time I got the courage to tell someone. If I had been able to act then I wouldn’t be stuck as a freak now. I could have lived a normal life. But you want to take that chance away.

I don’t know if you even realize it but every one of your demands in your original reply is a way to make sure trans women can’t pass and can’t live a normal life.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (150 children)

Lmao way to ineffectively twist my words. I didn’t say your safety doesn’t matter- I said, as I’ve said so many times- it’s not our responsibility to protect you or be used by you as shields. Period. It is on you and your community to figure out your safety needs in a way that doesn’t infringe on the rights and spaces of others. Women/females have nothing to do with you, we are not the same, our needs are different. Figure out safety measures that don’t include invading the safe spaces of another marginalized group. Just as women did for their safe spaces. Copy them in this, if you need to. You copy so much else. As far as you being 14 when you knew whatever you knew about yourself- I still choose not to stunt the growth and development of and sterilize children. Sorry if that upsets you. And I don’t care if transwomen pass or not. Has nothing to do with me or my rights.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (149 children)

It is on you and your community to figure out your safety needs in a way that doesn’t infringe on the rights and spaces of others. Women/females have nothing to do with you, we are not the same, our needs are different. Figure out safety measures that don’t include invading the safe spaces of another marginalized group. Just as women did for their safe spaces. Copy them in this, if you need to. Y’all copy so much else.

As I’ve explained to you numerous times, we can’t do it like natal women did. The numbers, resources, and societal position are different.

I knew way before I was 14. But I was too scared to talk about it.

And if at that time I would have gotten the medical care I needed I wouldn’t be stuck as Trans Quasimodo Now. I could have had a real life and that’s what you are so dead set on depriving us of.

And I don’t care if transwomen pass or not.

Except you do since literally all of your demands are just make sure trans women can’t hide so they are misearable pariah.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (145 children)

all your demands...to make sure transwomen...miserable pariah

Actually transwomen aren’t the most important people to women, and it’s more about self protection. you’re obsessed with the idea of being victimised every second of the day but this does not mean women are out to hurt your feelings. Your hurt feelings are merely a byproduct of the goal, which is to protect women.

Idk why this remains incomprehensible to you. Feminists do not target you.

[–]VioletRemihomosexual female (aka - lesbian) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am not sure why hurting feelings (or protections, or health) of women is never accounted, but hurting feeling of transwomen is.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (143 children)

Keeping trans women away from hormones while their bodies are still salvageable is hurting trans women. Making sure trans women are as exposed to discrimination as possible by not even letting us have safe paperwork is Anti trans.

[–]CatbugMods allow rape victim blaming in this sub :) 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (140 children)

Pro women is not anti trans regardless of your insistence. Protecting children from medical experimentation at the cost of not being as pretty as they want is not cruelty even if you feel you are personally unattractive as a result of your transition.

None of what women want is about you. It is about women. Male problems with that are for males to deal with.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You’re never gonna get the point because you really already do get the point but refuse to address or deal with it. Period. It’s sad and incredibly frustrating.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

  1. You not being able to find another solution doesn’t make what you’re doing to women and our spaces justified. You are undermining and invading our safe spaces.

  2. I don’t support abusing children in the name of gender identity. It doesn’t matter what you say- I’m never going to support it and will always protest it

  3. If women maintaining our rights and spaces and language causes so many issues for transwomen that just highlights how abusive and unfair towards women your community is. That’s not on women or me. That’s on transwomen. I will never feel bad about what repercussions upholding female rights has on any male.

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I will never feel bad about what repercussions upholding female rights has on any male.

I know. Because you hate trans women and don’t care that we are hurt.

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So then you hate women and don’t care if we feel that we are unsafe and being disenfranchised. You’re no better than what you’re accusing me of.

Eta- the fact that you can’t even deny that your needs conflict with and undermine female rights and still have the audacity to act like I’m wrong for my sentiment is hilarious to me.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I cited proof of increased sexual assault in the one context people Can be forced to comply with using sex based restrooms. Everyone knows trans women aren’t safe in men’s rooms. I’ve told you about my personal experience being assaulted in them.

How many of us have to be hurt exactly?

[–]loveSloaneDebate King 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Already addressed it- when you make a claim, show evidence. Which you did. Didn’t say you need to cite new stories, the old ones would suffice. I also made it clear that’s it’s not just about the bathrooms (which would be irrelevant), it’s ANY claim that is stated as fact or scientific. We can keep going back and forth but it already feels like a waste of time if you can’t get off of the bathroom thing.