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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That would mean that hatred is the intent if using that word, like it is with the homophobic slur you gave as an example. It isn't.

It is. You don’t call someone something they find that insulting on accident or without malice.

Not "any other label". Labels specifically designed to harm people. I'm sure plenty of people consider "fat" to be an insult, but I wouldn't automatically label someone using the label to be in the wrong.

So you are fine with someone calling someone fat even though they know they would prefer not to be addressed that way?

You make the entirety of the debate on this topic impossible based on the grounds of something entirely emotional.

No you make the debate impossible because you refuse even basic courtesy of not openly insulting the opposite side.

Then you should have an issue with the term "trans woman" as well.

Not at all. It’s my present and I embrace it. You want me defined by a deeply unpleasant past.

I’ve given you seven reasons why it’s an insult. You asked for an explanation and there it is. You know very well it’s an insult to call a trans women a man. Every time. 100 percent. You just don’t care. And whatever you are a free person, but you can’t expect beneficial dialogue when you openly insult the other people involved.

[–]firebird 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

It is. You don’t call someone something they find that insulting on accident or without malice.

Just because you have decided this, doesn't make it so. Take me as an example. ESL. Did not know the importance of a simple space. Could have called someone a "transwoman" without knowing that they found it to be incredibly insulting.

So you are fine with someone calling someone fat even though they know they would prefer not to be addressed that way?

If it's the truth, then yes.

No you make the debate impossible because you refuse even basic courtesy of not openly insulting the opposite side.

We have been debating this one word that you consider an insult the entire time, and I have not used it against you once. I have done you this 'courtesy', now you do me one by not accusing me of things I obviously didn't do.

Not at all. It’s my present and I embrace it. You want me defined by a deeply unpleasant past.

I don't "want" to define you by anything. None of use have a choice in this, we're all defined by the exact same thing.

You know very well it’s an insult to call a trans women a man.

So you're accusing me of lying.

You just don’t care.

Stop assuming what other people think and feel. You're obviously not good at it.

And whatever you are a free person, but you can’t expect beneficial dialogue when you openly insult the other people involved.

Again, I have not used this word you consider an insult against you, even though I don't agree that it's an insult. Still, I haven't gotten a beneficial dialogue. Instead you have accused me multiple times of things I did not say or do. Clearly, you agree that this is not my fault because I have played by the rules. The only other person left in this conversation is you.

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hi Firebird! I haven't seen you around here - Circling was otherwise known as Masksbehindmasks, they eventually got banned on the old GCdQT sub for reasons I don't entirely agree with - but as you can tell they're quite unhappy and self absorbed and are incapable of empathy or understanding/connecting with other lines of thinking. Just don't get too caught up with them :)

[–]firebird 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well now it all makes sense, I can't believe I didn't realize this was masks.

Thanks for pointing it out!

[–]divingrightintowork[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol no worries.