Interesting meta article questioning whether this kind of debate is even possible. Do you agree?

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[–]DistantGlimmer[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Thanks . It certainly seems like TRAs display a high degree of narcissistic behavior but I've never actually seen statistics on it before. It certainly does seem to explain a lot such as their constant need for validation and rage when they don't get it "properly".

[–]reluctant_commenter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Yup, exactly.

What I would be curious to see is how trans people compare to cis people controlling for psychiatric diagnoses. That last study I linked is the closest example of that, but this topic could still use more research.

[–]tuesday 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I googled, and found this from a WHO study:

The mean multiple imputation prevalence estimate of any DSM–IV/IPDE personality disorder across samples (based on sample sizes, not population sizes) is 6.1% (Table 1). These estimates are lowest in Nigeria (2.7%) and Western Europe (2.4%), and between 4.1% (e.g. China) and 7.9% (e.g. Colombia) in other countries. Prevalence estimates for personality disorder clusters average 3.6% for Cluster A, 1.5% for Cluster B and 2.7% for Cluster C. Cluster B is estimated to be the least prevalent cluster in each survey, and Cluster A is estimated to be the most prevalent in all countries other than Western Europe and the USA.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2705873/

So cluster B is found in supposedly 1.5% of the general population, compared to around 80% of transwomen. That is (obviously) an ENORMOUS difference!

What i'm wondering, is how did such a larger percentage of non cluster B individuals in various governmental agencies (98.5% of the general population does NOT have a cluster B disorder), come to be under the thumb of the few who are (most of whom are trans)?

And i'm also wondering, when 80% of transwomen are cluster B then... what percentage of cluster B individuals are NOT transwomen? That to me is the real question. Because there seems to be an automatic "if this then do that" at play here. If a biological male has narcissistic traits, then what percentage of those males will gravitate towards transgenderism?

[–]tuesday 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Apologies if i simplified too much, or for whatever reason (probably my ignorance) i failed to address your question.

[–]reluctant_commenter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whoops, somehow I missed your response entirely!!

I don't know about 80% of transwomen having a cluster B personality disorder-- maybe in a clinical sample of transwomen, sure, but not in a general-population sample, the last study I linked suggested that the general-population estimate was around 6%. Which is more what we'd expect; people who check in to a clinic for mental health related concerns are much more likely to have disorders than people in the general population, since they're a self-selecting group.