Both: What are your feelings on BDSM and the sex-positivity movement?

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[–]catoborosnonbinary 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Genuine free will is never oppression. Claiming that it is denies agency. The questions are whether there is such a thing as free will, how much self-knowledge does an individual require to have it, and how can anyone else know? Society is an employment scheme for psychotherapists.

[–]worried19[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Do you think it's possible for women raised under patriarchy to have genuine free will in these matters?

[–]catoborosnonbinary 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It is harder for women raised under patriarchy to have genuine free will. Note that I am not GC and reject the characterisation of western society as a patriarchy. I think the situation is in some ways even worse under social media: many young people are trapped in massive, distributed, bullying networks that compel behaviour under the threat of exclusion. Expected behaviours are gendered, but enforcement is not patriarchal. Rather, it is an emergent behaviour based on peer pressure, amplified by technological feedback. The awful truth seems to be that women expect conformity from other women. I do not think this is patriarchy, but it is coercion and opposes genuine free will.

[–]worried19[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thanks for explaining. I do think we live in a patriarchy, but various patriarchal aspects are heavily promoted and enforced by other women. I truly believe the beauty industry would die out tomorrow if women stopped supporting it. If men were upset at all, they'd get over it quickly.

[–]catoborosnonbinary 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree. I recently realised that, even though I dismiss the patriarchy and see society as an emergent phenomenon, we are still talking about the same thing, and just differ on how it came to be.

[–]bald-janitor 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting