What is a cooperative? by JasonCarswell in Cooperatives

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I had a big list of cooperative content to share. A browser crash wiped that out. I've been procrastinating rebuilding that list for this sub.

What is a cooperative? by JasonCarswell in Cooperatives

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All of this helps me in understanding this topic. Thank you.

What is a cooperative? by JasonCarswell in Cooperatives

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Truth.

What is a cooperative? by JasonCarswell in Cooperatives

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I agree that there is no reason not to. Openness can only be a disadvantage for individuals and corporations who commit dishonest acts.

Even the so-called "free markets" aren't free if knowledge doesn't flow freely.

What is a cooperative? by JasonCarswell in Cooperatives

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It's less Ubuntu and more Canonical, their corporation, that I have issues with. It's been far too long since I used it to be up to speed and have legit detailed criticisms.

My biggest fear about "contributionism" is that eventually the tide will turn and it will all be used against us. A moderate example is how Mozilla is for shit now. Another example is how Android was open-source and everyone contributed, then Google closed off their source (made for "free") and basically forced most to go with them. For every advance "we" make, "they" automatically get it for free. Meanwhile "they" have armies that are building on top of that.

More and more I think the Gnu guy is right - we ALL need to get as close as possible to 100% open-source.

What is a cooperative? by JasonCarswell in Cooperatives

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Michael Tellinger denounces the Bankster cartel in his book titled "Ubuntu: contributionism". And of course there exists that Ubuntu flavor of Linux, which is arguably its most successful in reaching a wide user base.

Yes, the name is rife with interpretations and deviations from its putative original meaning, yet I can't help but think that Ubuntu Linux has captured the spirit of the original in its development process.

Either way, the subtitle "contributionism" spells cooperative pretty thoroughly, I think.

What is a cooperative? by JasonCarswell in Cooperatives

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Thanks for all that!

"The Corporation" changed my life. /s/Documentaries/comments/4c8r/the_corporation_an_award_winning_classic_mustsee/

I am all for open-science, decentralization, and of course open-source. I also believe it's possible to be open and make a living (ie. be a "capitalist") with a good product or service. That's why if I was actually organized I'd have finished my first draft and would be establishing my /s/GlossedAndProfound production management thing, as transparently as possible. Ideally this would earn and guarantee trust and support. It's all a nice idea, but first I need to have a product to stand behind. And stop my SaidIt and current events addicion.

" Ubuntu is a Nguni Bantu term meaning "humanity." It is often translated as "I am because we are," or "humanity towards others," or in Xhosa, "umntu ngumntu ngabantu" but is often used in a more philosophical sense to mean "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity." In Southern Africa, it has come to be used as a contested term for a kind of humanist philosophy, ethic, or ideology, also known as Ubuntuism propagated in the Africanisation process of these countries during the 1980s and 1990s. " ~ Wikipedia

I don't know enough about the Ubuntu Canonical thing to speak extensively on it. I know that I don't like some of the directions they've taken, even if some of them seem to make a little sense. IMO they've sold out, but they're better than Microsoft.

Worse is how the giant corporations like Microsoft are infiltrating all the open-source organizations and taking over GitHub, etc.

What is a cooperative? by JasonCarswell in Cooperatives

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Yes, especially, the "legal person" status of CORPORATIONS is responsible for so many modern problems, I can't even begin. In a true cooperative, you have an ASSOCIATION OF INDIVIDUALS and not a fake "legal person" corporation. That means the individuals are PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for what the cooperative does. This changes things hugely.

For example, Linux can be said to be (loosely, but still) built upon the cooperative model: individuals contributed out of enthusiasm for the project, and you have what? THE BEST OPERATING SYSTEM. FOR FREE. But sure, had the devs made a cooperative and charged for their OS, they would be raking in some big bucks. BUT they'd also be personally responsible for the security of their userbase's data.

Compare that with Micro$haft. No responsibility, putting small software developers out of business by stealing their code, no accountability, convicted monopolist, passed the fines onto their more-or-less captive market, crappy product to begin with, and so on.

Jason, would you consider the Ubuntu philosophy to be a cooperative of sorts?