Hatred of bisexuals is tied to gay marriage

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[–]PatsyStone[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I was on the old drop the T sub and left after a huge blow up with a bunch of lesbians about there being too many Bisexuals in charge and commenting on the sub.

The main instigators, as I recall, also had a post history full of pining for a wife or lamenting issues with their marriages. I thought... hmm.

Then, yesterday, this guy flew off the handle after he tried to pick a fight and I told him no. He followed me over here as well trying to pick fights and catch me being homophobic. He has mentioned his marriage repeatedly in posts.

https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/7s8u/orwellian_terms_regarding_conversion_therapy/

I think there is a correlation. Not necessarily causation, but correlation.

[–]MarkJefferson 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

Oh.. That's our resident Gay Supremacist. Who knows how many accounts he burned through by now or how many arguments he had on this site and Beyond? Legend has it that he'll eventually have to learn to live with everyone here, because we're all on the same Pirate Ship in the end; Exiled to Sea by the Powers that Be and lacking vitamin T.

[–]PeakingPeachEater 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think he made another account recently. When he got reported, another new account instantly started bashing me on a recent post I made and got removed right after haha.

I saw another new account take place too, but unsure if it's him again in incognito.

He'll make "normal" comments every once in a while then go back to being a troll.

Edit: word

[–]MarkJefferson 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Don't let the haters get to you.

I find it funny that there's been no moderating actions needed or used here up until just yesterday.

[–]usehername 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I was on the old drop the T sub and left after a huge blow up with a bunch of lesbians about there being too many Bisexuals in charge and commenting on the sub.

Can you link this too?

I took a look at his post history and only saw two comments about marriage, and it wasn't the main topic. Maybe I should search for another keyword?

I don't agree with most of what he says, and he clearly has a lot of bitterness but I think it's important to realize where that bitterness comes from. Most of the true believers in gender ideology are bisexuals. Bisexuals (obligatory not all bis) cause a lot of harm to the LG community by identifying as "queer", "pan", "omni", "poly", or any of the other million descriptors, which muddy the meaning of sexual orientation, which is/are the sex(es) you are attracted to, not preferences such as personality/looks.

Bisexuals also call themselves gay and lesbian but say they would include trans people sexually. Yes, there are LG people lying and saying this, but there are bi people with a strong preference for whom this is true. Bi people outnumber gays and lesbians, yet we have no strong bi community. We have all these bi people lying about their sexuality and causing huge harm to LG, while yes, most bi people do end up with the opposite sex (no shade, it's really a numbers game here. Gays and lesbians are rare while straight people are not). So basically bi people end up causing all this damage while facing less of the repercussions. This isn't to say that bi people have never done anything for LG because that is false, but the whole TRA thing is really a bi problem, but I feel like bi people don't talk about it enough. I had a chat with him earlier and he was very civil and said he'd had experiences with a lot of the bis I described. However, I think he holds a lot of prejudice and totally flew off the rails there and I have no respect for that sort of behavior. It is still important to see where this anger is coming from, though.

[–]PatsyStone[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Is there an archive somewhere of the old reddit sub? This would have been in 2019.

We have all these bi people lying about their sexuality and causing huge harm to LG

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, can you give a couple of examples?

I have to say, I don't think bisexuals have a unique amount of guilt in promoting gender theory. All members of the LGBT participated in creating it, allowing it to take over, and all have members who are still stubbornly promoting it for various reasons. The transmen of the 90s and pioneers of gender theory are all lesbians, bisexuals introduced the wishy washy "love isn't about genitals" ideology, and gay men gave them the gay press and leadership of gay rights groups.

I think bisexual women are constantly caught in a bind where we're on our own trying to guess our way through life and we get punished for guessing wrong. This gets interpreted as lying, imo. What are you supposed to do, anyway, when you have no good choices?

There isn't a way to be a virtuous bisexual.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to, can you give a couple of examples?

Bisexuals identifying as "queer" and other labels (including lesbian and gay) is lying and harmful:

First and foremost, it obscures the meaning of the word bisexual, which is attraction to men and women. There has been a huge push for bisexuals to identify as something other than bi (pan, queer) because it's "transphobic" or they read about a more specific "orientation" on the internet (poly, others I'm sure).

The transphobia thing is ridiculous because it's not oppression to not fuck someone (you probably know this if you're on this site, but just clarifying), and when bisexuals discard the "bi" label for something more specific, it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what a sexual orientation is (attraction to the same, opposite, or both sexes) by conflating it with a sexual preference (femininity/masculinity, styles, personality, ect.).

Think of the TRA push for lesbians and gays to accept "transbians" and "gay trans men". The only "lesbian" who would feel attraction to a "transbian" is actually a bi woman who is attracted to femininity in a partner. Now, plenty of LG people who say they would include trans people sexually are just lying, but there are some genuinely bi people who would, but still consider themselves lesbian or gay, which is obviously not true.

Also, "queer" is a slur, and honestly a lot of people who identify as such are just spicy straight (dyed hair, alt style). When bi people identify as queer, they're contributing to the muddying of the meaning of the word bisexual, and in addition, lesbian and gay, since if bisexuality is not clearly defined as attraction to both sexes, one could assert that lesbianism or being gay can also include attraction to both sexes, as long as they're of the same gender identity/other stupid qualifier. I think people need to stop being ashamed of calling themselves bisexual because they're causing confusion and allowing gender ideology (which is damaging to lesbian, gay, women's, parents, and children's rights) to propagate because of their own fear and shame. People think "queer" is a safe, cool identity, not associated with negative stereotypes of bisexuality, but highly associated with oppression points.

[–]PatsyStone[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

People think "queer" is a safe, cool identity, not associated with negative stereotypes of bisexuality, but highly associated with oppression points.

That's certainly true. I've been thinking for a while that declaring yourself queer is some sort of performative piety to let straight people know you're obedient.

The thing I'm not understanding is the harm part. I can definitely get how this situation is annoying to homosexuals, irritating. Harmful? What's happening to them because of this? I associate the word harm with things like violence and poverty.

[–]usehername 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

(Also to answer your question earlier, I know nothing about archiving)

The harm is all the hard caused by gender/trans ideology, because these "Woque Kweers®" (bisexuals) are the primary drivers behind it. One would have to be bisexual to believe in it 100%. This ideology leads to the "transitioning" (sterilization, loss of sexual function, and early death by cancer) of kids and adults. Same-sex attraction alone is enough to get a diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria. This short video explains the way Gender Dysphoria is defined in the DSM and how it's harmful to gays and lesbians (as well as bisexuals, but them especially):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffSNr9iycAU

If the definition of "lesbian" is no longer "woman exclusively attracted to other women", then lesbian rights mean nothing. Same for gay. This essay by Orwell explains the harm in muddying the definitions of words:

https://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/politics/english/e_polit

[–]PatsyStone[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

That's scapegoating. It has to be said. Bisexuals identifying as queer are not the main drivers of young lesbians transitioning and the muddying of the definition of lesbian does not affect legal protections for sexual orientation.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Bisexuals identifying as queer are not the main drivers of young lesbians transitioning

I didn't say that. I said bisexuals are the primary drivers of gender ideology. Gender ideology is a driver of young lesbians transitioning. Gender ideology draws mostly from Queer Theory, which asserts that rigid sexual orientations do not exist and are 100% socially constructed. In other words, everyone is bisexual. Only a bisexual person with little empathy for monosexuals can believe this.

Confused/ashamed bisexuals make up the army of useful idiots for gender/trans ideology.

[–]PatsyStone[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A bisexual with eyes of her own can believe this. I think that that is convoluted scapegoating. Bisexuals who are caught up in the same wave of homophobia are not the agents directing its movement.

[–]usehername 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn't say they were agents directing the movement. I said:

Confused/ashamed bisexuals make up the army of useful idiots for gender/trans ideology.

They aren't malicious agents, but they're eating up the propaganda and perpetuating an ideology that is harmful to the whole LGB.

edit: To add: in what world is a useful idiot a directing agent?

[–]MarkJefferson 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

https://archive.vn/https://old.reddit.com/r/LGBDropTheT*

https://web.archive.org/web/20190701000000*/https://old.reddit.com/r/LGBDropTheT

Relevant topic from July 2020.

[–]PeakingPeachEater 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for the links, I saved your comment for later.

I wasn't really around LGBDroptheT during the reddit era. Maybe a little towards the end, but anyways---it's nice to see these posts. I hope we can grow as big as them and TrueBisexuals.