Did the Holocaust happen?

submitted by fschmidt from self.AskSaidIt

By "Holocaust" I mean that a lot of (racial) Jews were intentionally killed by the Nazis, no specific number.

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[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. They put them in camps and many died, whether outright murdered or from the conditions of the camps. Has the holocaust been weaponized, misrepresented or exaggerated like every other historical or current event? I'm sure it has.

[–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Of course I answer yes.

Let's see how retarded Saiditors are.

[–]portace 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As stated below, your definition of Holocaust is wrong. Although, I wouldn't say anything below 6 M is Holocaust denial. It's certainly possible this number is greatly exaggerated though.

A common mainstream saying is that there was propaganda on both sides of the war. The essential problem is that in the aftermath, mainstream never identified what the propaganda was on our side.

Hibiki in the other thread gave an estimate of up to 10,000 unjustified deaths, but that was based on no evidence and just theory. I doubt it was that low. Another more evidence based book I skimmed over estimated 100k.

In the end, it's hard to reach a strong estimate if government factions are shutting down speech and investigation.

[–]trident765 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

But no one uses this definition of "Holocaust". The real definition of Holocaust that society accepts is that 6,000,000 or more Jews were killed by Nazis. Those who believe 5,999,999 or less died are holocaust deniers.

But I personally believe that the German government killed Jews in WWII. I have distant relatives who were killed in similar circumstances so I know governments are capable of doing this. But Jews also claim that they were persecuted far worse than any other minority in history, which I am not certain about. From what I read the Armenian genocide was as bad or almost as bad as the Holocaust, but it doesn't seem that way to the average person since Armenians do not complain nearly as much as Jews.

[–]portace 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

did you read the mainstream version of the Armenian genocide? Because there's propaganda around that too.

[–]fschmidt[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But no one uses this definition of "Holocaust".

I made this thread in response to this thread. Yes the Jewish lunatics insist on the 6M number, while the alt-right lunatics insist on some very low number. The truth is presumably somewhere in the middle, maybe a few million. Anyway, the point is that everyone is crazy these days, on both sides.

[–]asterias 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Armenian genocide (followed by the Greek and Assyrian) was worse by far, as the victims weren't placed in camps where they were supposed to be interned till the end of the war but instead were put to death while many girls were imprisoned in harems that still existed in Anatolia.

The Young Turks who implemented those genocides were donmeh, cryptojews of Thessaloniki. One century before that, the Jews of Thessaloniki had played a vital role in the Holocaust of Naoussa.

[–]yabbit 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

it happens to incels every generation so who cares

[–]fschmidt[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Incels deserve it.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It was planned. There is more than enough proof for this.

And it was executed in an industrial scale. For which even more proof exist but i think most numbers are wrong in either direction. Simply put: "History is written by those who declare themselves the winners of it". But even historical narratives first need to believed. Without this, they couldn't be used to gaslight or guild-shame the "masses".

But of course it is weaponized again and again. The fascist Hitler regime tried more than once to just export their jewish "problem". Especially early in their reign. Nobody wanted them. US not, the Brits not and even Switzerland closed their borders as the war went its course.

The insidious hypocrisy in this historical narrative (whichever it actually is exactly...) stays that e.g. the far-right regime of Isreal uses the holocaust again and again to mass-murder and state-terrorize the citizens of Palestine. Even fucking again with fascist-developed methods.

Fun fact: People spearheading these political "movements", always look the same: Small men, ugly faces, some sort of physical disability (Hitler with his missing nut, e.g.) and some combination of severe forms of psychological "illnesses". I believe that they even need these attributes and "illnesses" to follow trough on their so called "ideas" of a better humanity or "national" society because guys like this always are mental dwarfs the same as they are physical. They are bobbleheads, too. Just "extreme" bobbleheads lacking the self-assertiveness to actually develop a codex that is compatible with a form of society that doesn't need to burn or kill its citizens in scales like this. To "develop".

Defining an external or internal minority as an enemy has been and will always be an excellent method to psyop sheeple into an ideology that needs them to supress their own "humane" instincts and compassion to execute these mass-murders.

Because obviously these demagogues won't get their own hands dirty. They - then again - simply lack the actual spine to pull the trigger themselves.

These methods have become very developed and successful. Just look at Saudi-Arabia or Malaysia. Where even distinguished dogs are trained long and well enough to murder their brethren in numbers you just couldn't explain otherwise, i think.

Fun fact no. 2: I believe that US-deep-state likes fascists-style regimes so much because they are easily to manipulate and buy in on. Because the mind of their "dictator" or bobblehead in command actually believe in the value of the FIAT-dollar.

If one of them (a nice example was Tito in "Yugoslavia" and the Soviets, i think) gets through with installing and holding onto an "apparatschik" that actually has some defensive capabilities, he can become a real nasty and persistent tick on the tits of his funders.

[–]IkeConn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes but mostly just to the jews.

[–]yelgy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yep