Russia Has Eliminated 400,000 Soldiers Thus Far - Douglas Macgregor

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[–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

This is the fundamental question at the center of the war: when did it start? Russia invaded to finish a war that started in 2014. Nuland's tape tells us the US planned the government that took over in that year. The eastern area of Ukraine refused to accept the authority of the new government. "Ukraine" has had this divide running through it for decades. Eastern Ukraine and Western Ukraine are not the same people. The US has been working with the factions in western Ukraine for decades, back into USSR times. Watching what has happened since the fall of the Soviet Union in 1990, the imperial nature of the western political economy is evident. Empires either grow or they die. They have pushed east for thirty years, and for thirty years, the Russians were quite clear that Ukraine was too close for them to tolerate. Yes, in 2022 Russia attacked the current government in Ukraine, but to suggest the west didn't know this precise result would occur when they set up their government in Kiev is naive. The west wants this war; they have chosen this path. Now we find out if they have the power to expand the next step.

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    [–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    That's been the story the MSM has been selling since February, 2022. I have heard zero change in that story for the past year and a half. The picture you are describing, however, doesn't fit the political / economic position Russia (Putin's regime) currently occupies or how events have changed during that time.

    I am often accused of being a "Putin apologist". Actually, I view Putin the same way I view any politician. He is the mafia boss of the mafia of his country, a.k.a. their government. The place we differ is that I see us looking at two mafias fighting over turf. Ukraine has been "Russian turf" for centuries. Peeling Ukraine away from Russian influence is a radical re-write of global political alignment. And I have zero illusions that the people on the west have any moral standing from which to judge Russia's mafia. The west is equally corrupt as the Russians (they hid their corruption better, though that veil is failing; the magnitude is totally equal); the Ukrainian oligarchs are in a league of their own, with lovely strains of explicit original-strain Naziism running through it.

    There are no good guys here. The reason I argue for the Russian position is that it is more stable. Ukraine under Russian influence has been a stable part of the global map for centuries. Ideal? Of course not. Tons of corruption, very ugly.

    But the current situation is even worse. We didn't need to stir this hornets nest.

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      [–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      from a western interest perspective

      Precisely. "Western Interests". In other words, the western mafia wants to grow. Now we find out if that will happen or if the Russian mafia is strong enough to stop their plans. Time will tell.

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        [–]StillLessons 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

        I was in Russia in 2019. Granted, I was only in the touristy large cities, but what struck me from traveling there was the complete and utter lack of difference between people's lives there and the lives of their equivalents in the west. I speak enough Russian to get around, and people basically go about their lives, just like we do here. We are all pissed that "the government" does what it does, and we do our best to stay out of the way. I also have known several Russians over the years, both in Russia and outside. Talking to them, I don't see the difference you are suggesting.